Okay, obviously Jen got all the essaying genes of this family. I ain't good at the meta, but I'm good at conversations, so maybe I'll try to get the ball rolling?
Redemption.
If Lilah wanted it, she probably would have gotten it, if only to make Wesley shut up. So let's skip that and say - could she be redeemed? By Jossian standards, by your standards, whatever. I mean, the Jossverse gave Spike a hard time on the path to redemption, and he had a reason for being 'evil'. Lilah was human, had a soul, free will, choices, etc etc...a demon didn't make her do what she did, her own ambition did. So is Lilah redeemable?
Are we pretending that Lilah would thus feel remorse for all the deaths she executed? Because I can't see her redeemed within the Jossverse without some guilt. I mean, even Cordelia- who killed as an Evil Being, not as herself- had to express apologies for Lilah's death. And Lilah was completely Lilah-y when doing the whole murdery thing
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Jossverse redemption doesn't have to mean remorse- Anya felt remorse for what she did in Selfless, but that was after years as living as a human. She was allowed to look back on the slaughterings of her past with nostalgia. I think Lilah could achieve that sort of redemption- integrated the Fang Gang, doing, if not good, greyish things, in the present tense, without a need to angst over the past.
As for listening to Angel, watching them clash would be half the fun. ;)
Well, but was Anya ever redeemed? She was accepted into the group, but there was always kind of the "She's dangerous and an outsider" aspect.
I mean, I think there's acceptance without redemption and redemption without acceptance. Wes's storyline from s3-s4 showed redemption without acceptance. I think Lilah would be able to show acceptance into the group fold without any form of Jossverse-style redemption.
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Redemption.
If Lilah wanted it, she probably would have gotten it, if only to make Wesley shut up. So let's skip that and say - could she be redeemed? By Jossian standards, by your standards, whatever. I mean, the Jossverse gave Spike a hard time on the path to redemption, and he had a reason for being 'evil'. Lilah was human, had a soul, free will, choices, etc etc...a demon didn't make her do what she did, her own ambition did. So is Lilah redeemable?
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As for listening to Angel, watching them clash would be half the fun. ;)
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I mean, I think there's acceptance without redemption and redemption without acceptance. Wes's storyline from s3-s4 showed redemption without acceptance. I think Lilah would be able to show acceptance into the group fold without any form of Jossverse-style redemption.
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