steel and fire

Jul 13, 2011 08:28

Halfway through ADWD, just stopping by to say ( spoilers )

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windfury July 13 2011, 06:45:46 UTC
I have a lot to say on Tyrion, but am not sure where all the bits came from so won't comment to spoil you now. But yeah, not impressed on my levels there or with the direction grrm is going with him.

I really like Theon in a tragic kind of way. I don't think he's as bad and terrible as people make him out to be, just very immature, sad and kind of pathetic and then placed in this awful position. The patheticness is why I don't amg love him, but I definately don't hate him and his chapters have made me feel worse for him.

Kevan... man just ... yeah. WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT GRMM? This is why we can't have nice things.

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windfury July 13 2011, 06:46:48 UTC
not impressed on my levels

many* levels

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lilith_morgana July 13 2011, 07:04:17 UTC
The last Tyrion chapter I read had him explain his goals as "rape and kill my sister".

To which I respond: like hell you will. (And also, I'm not afraid of spoilers!)

Yeah, I think it might be the pathetic thing that holds me back with Theon. I don't know why, I find it hard to pity characters I'm told to pity. I'm cranky that way, I suppose.

Kevan was a lovely character and it makes me so sad that this generation of Lannisters is all but wiped out. They were good people, dammit!

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windfury July 13 2011, 08:08:40 UTC
I think it was the intensely creepy sceene in the brothel that pushed me over the wtf Tyrion edge, and then to add horror when I thought it was over downstairs was Jorah Mormont with a girl who looked kinda like Dany. Creepy x a billion.

But yeah, the fact that the whole Tyrion is a Targ thing is now no longer a crack theory but seems to be the direction we're headed is really annoying to me. I hate this theory with a passion. And people are starting to justify the whole Tysha thing relative to it, like it's totally fine now because Tyrion wasn't Tywin's son (which was at Tower of the Hand, who no doubt finished deciding rape is fine if it's your not sons wife then went back to hating Cat for being a big meanie to Jon).

And yeah, just ugh. The whole thing with Cersei. I don't even have words for how much the whole walk back home naked thing pissed me off, and how much more it's going to piss me off when I read people saying how awesome it was. I think I'm going to have to start stanning for her really hard as well now.

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angerfish July 13 2011, 07:23:03 UTC
ita on Tyrion :/

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lilith_morgana July 13 2011, 11:16:57 UTC
Yeah. He takes the 'loveable' out of loveable jerk for sure.

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fallingtowers July 13 2011, 08:00:31 UTC
I fucking agree on Tyrion Lannister. The "I want to rape and kill my sister!" line enraged me so very much. (And if it should happen in a future book, I will... well, I actually don't know what I will do. Probably fling my book against the wall or print out a photo of GRRM to use for darts practice? IDEK.)

I have never cared one whit for Theon Greyjoy before, but I do feel sorry for him now. I think I'm a bit soft-hearted, but I just don't like reading about anyone being imprisoned, mind-fucked and tortured by a sadist like Ramsay Bolton. It makes me sort of queasy. This is why I never watch horror movies, either. :)

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lilith_morgana July 13 2011, 11:26:06 UTC
I will return with many, many more comments on Tyrion, I fear. :) He's becoming like Tywin in the worst kind of way - esp if he's a poor lost little Targ prince who wants to restore his house in a storm of fire and blood - and yet the narrative loves him and I fear he will somehow be entitled to his feelings of hate and oppression in the end.

Gah.

It was a brief but welcome release to read Jaime's POV after so much Tyrion. At least he's trying.

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fallingtowers July 13 2011, 12:25:28 UTC
In all fairness, Tyrion is entitled to some feelings of oppression. However, it enrages me that this narrative trajectory seems to be going from "sort of realistic portrait of a likeable jerk who has to deal with disabilites and a dysfunctional family in an extremely ablist society where said family is, ironically enough, the only thing that protects him" to "super-special snowflake and lost dragonprince who is wallowing in hatred and misogyny". At this point, I would vastly prefer even Jon being a lost Targaryen to him. At least, Jon is merely a whiny emo kid instead of a misogynist arsehole.

If you had told me after reading AGoT that I would come to love Jaime and hate Tyrion one day, I'd have laughed in your face. The irony, it burns.

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lilith_morgana July 13 2011, 12:58:33 UTC
Oh, he has the right to feel oppressed. And he has the right to loathe Tywin too for all the things Tywin did. He also has the right to be angry with Shae. (Not so much with the killing people you hate, though.) What I fear is happening, though, is that the narrative structure that he once belonged to and that pinned him as a scrappy underdog hasn't changed even when he moves from being the underdog to being some sort of twisted avenger. I fear GRRM loves him too much for a complete switch ( ... )

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lilith_morgana July 13 2011, 11:15:59 UTC
Yeah, I lost patience with him at the end of ASoS when he went on his whole "YOU ALL HATE ME!" speech because of the narrative in those scenes, then when he went on his killing spree I was just disgusted.

The level of misogyny in his chapters in ADWD is so fucking high I can barely read through them.

LOL at some review who said things like "the long, vivid descriptions breathe life into the story". No, no they don't.

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