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[lilith_morgana]

* Have the flat to myself for the weekend since K is attending a theology thing. Today I've taken advantage of that alone time by going for a walk then do 90 minutes of cardio boxing with my Kinect fitness game. LOL. It feels so silly, but not much different from a class at the gym to be honest. I sweat and pant so I suppose it's all good

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[fallingtowers]

Heh. I rather like the scenario where Giles falls in love with Donna - she could help him and the whole Buffy gang defeat the forces of evil. After the Doctor stole all her memories, she does need some adventure in her life again

[lilith_morgana]

Giles/Donna would be the epic romance of the side-kicks. I think he would adore her just as much as she deserves to be adored. ♥ :)

And YES to everything you say about Jaime/Cersei.

I would buy the "one soul in two bodies"/Wuthering Heights thing if they were, you know, similar as human beings. But they are rather different and the more GRRM writes about their childhood, the more different they appear. (In WH, Heathcliff wasn't obsessed with Cathy because of her Evil Womanly Manipulation either, as far as I recall, but then again Emily Brontë was a vastly better writer than GRRM.)

Cersei seeing Jaime as her male self, her way of having what she is denied - now that I could have loved if it had been done right. What sours the whole gender thing for me is how she strives for his male gender whereas he grows to despise her female one. She's a fickle, unfaithful, manipulative woman-person who has fallen from his warped idealised version of her and now he no longer wants her. There's nothing in that I can like

[fallingtowers]

I would buy the "one soul in two bodies"/Wuthering Heights thing if they were, you know, similar as human beings. But they are rather different and the more GRRM writes about their childhood, the more different they appear.

Oh, indeed. I've seen the claim of "but Jaime and Cersei are exactly the same person!" pretty often, and I never quite know how to dispute that without seeming to fall into the "but he's just a good man led astray by the seductive siren call of evil Cersei and her evil vagina" - something which I've also seen pretty often, although by a completely different crowd of fans, and which I most certainly don't believe. (I mean, Jaime chose to act like a screw-up while indulging in his narcissist romantic fantasy. He did it for what he thought was love of her, but he is still responsible for his actions. Full stop.) But, as you say, the twins may look alike, but they have fairly different personalities in some ways - not in all, but definitely in some.

What sours the whole gender thing for me is how she strives for

[agnes_bean]

You just summed up everything I don't like about Jaime/Cersei SO WELL. Especially how they don't actually get each other at all. The one thing that is consistent across almost all the pairings I really love is that the people involved get each other on some fundamental level, even if they are really different on the surface (hell, even if they are enemies on the surface). Jaime and Cersei are like the opposite of that -- on the surface they are incredibly similar, but they are fundamentally really different, and they don't really see that.

[agnes_bean]

What I liked about them in season one was how low-key they were, their relationship evolving slowly and quietly. Then everything got so bloody melodramatic.
This is so true. I was never a huge fan of the ship (I didn't care one way or the other) so I think it bothered me less, but I think this is exactly why I stopped caring about Bates' storyline in general in Series 2. It just became so over the top in a way that undercut what made me like the character in the first place, which was his subtlety. And yeah, it sucks that Anna's story became all about him.

I've been seeing this meme going around my flist lately, and I find it interesting that MANY people (myself included) have Eric/Sookie as a ship they used to like and don't anymore. Book and TV fans. I feel like the creators just completely failed to see what made that ship interesting in the first place, and tried to make it something it's not -- much more Fluffy and Grand Romance than it should have been. That turned SO many people off, it's kind of amazing.

Any scenario that

[lilith_morgana]

and tried to make it something it's not -- much more Fluffy and Grand Romance than it should have been

Yeah. It reminded me a bit of Buffy/Angel as well, with the Epic Love Because We Say So. And Sookie and Eric aren't cut out to be star-crossed loves at all, I don't think most people who liked them ever thought they'd be paired like that.

And I agree with what you said in the comment above about understanding being crucial in every ship you like. I'd much rather read about two wildly different people who have absolutely nothing in common but who share an understanding of something that brings them closer together. But I need to believe in the connection, it's not enough to tell me that "these two really get each other" if I can't see it.

[hamsterwoman]

I wish I knew more of these characters, but:

#17 (Jaime walking in on Tywin and Brienne) is just amazing in its perfect wrongness and aww at this:

it would probably be a Joanna-ghost who's there to watch over the remains of her messed up family. So he'd ask her for some much-needed, long-overdue guidance in life.

Oh, and I liked Eric and Sookie in the books (never watched the show) while it was UST with him cheerfully stalking her. But then it started getting all weirdly fluffy...

[lilith_morgana]

It amuses me to no end to think about Jaime walking in on Tywin and Brienne. I think it would be the last straw for him somehow. :)

Eric and Sookie reminded me a little of Buffy and Spike at first. With the cheerful stalking and the touch of comedy. And then the fluff happened. Or well, first the awful and embarrassing sex scenes happened. A lot.