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threecee January 24 2020, 22:22:17 UTC
There have probably been changes since then, but I tried the Atkins Diet that is ketogenic back in my late 20's. (Lot of mastodon burgers back then.) I lost a little weight, but every time I moved to past the most restrictive starter phase I plateaued for a couple months then started to slowly gain back. My body is extremely good at hanging onto fat, so it may work better for you.

The major problem, aside from not enough continuing weight loss, was that the change in body chemistry gave me really bad breath and body odor.

The diet can lead to kidney stones, changes in insulin production, and changes in cholesterol levels, so I'd suggest talking to your doctor first.

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lindafishes8 January 24 2020, 22:53:51 UTC
There have been major changes in how the dietary community feels about cholesterol in food and how organic foods make it so much better and safer. No processed foods or cured meat, No nitrates or nitrites. It's low protein, even lower carb and high animal fat.

I've read about the "Keto coma" and other side effects. Doc told me to pick a plan I can stick to. That's the trick, isn't it? Another doc (not my reg one) told me I should try keto.

How did you feel while you were on it? Did you stick to it religiously?

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lindafishes8 January 25 2020, 01:22:00 UTC
I meant to write Keto flu. Where did coma come from???

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threecee January 25 2020, 19:59:18 UTC
I was very good for about three months and then got frustrated because my total loss was only 2 lbs.

A male friend who had chronic weight problems went on a no bleached flour, just whole grain products, and no refined sugar, corn syrup, or other processed sugars regime. These ingredients are the only things he avoids. They are in a lot of foods though and it takes a while to learn what you can and can't eat.

He combined it with a water-only fast one day a week for the first three months. He lost 25 lbs while fasting and gradually lost another 35 over the next couple years without fasting. He has kept the weight off for 20 years with only mild exercise and no calorie counting. He still doesn't eat bleached flour or refined sugar, but there are more whole grain options and sweeteners like stevia now.

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duckys_lady January 24 2020, 23:08:23 UTC
I personally have a "run don't walk" away feeling about Keto. Two work colleagues went on it -- with two different degrees of commitment. Both said it was very expensive, because they had to buy all kinds of different food than they would normally, and very time-consuming because they had to specially prepare all of these things. One was not very diligent and quit after about six weeks, but I believe she gained 15 to 20 pounds while on it. The second is/was extremely diligent -- bought the food she couldn't afford, spent untold hours preparing special recipes, even paid a "coach" to guide her. I think she is still trying to do it, and she appears to be at least 20 to 25 pounds heavier than when she started.

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lindafishes8 January 25 2020, 01:34:50 UTC
Two fails then. I wonder if your colleague who gained weight was staying in ketosis or it just didn't work for her.

I am spending so much now on fresh fruits and veggies now that the cost will likely be the same. Lots more green salads, though. Of course, uncured meats cost more, but right now, I have a freezer full of meat.

There's an online coach with shopping lists and meal prep instructions for one week at a time. My cooking skills are not bad and t's something I like to do. Cooking yes, dishes NO. :D

Thanks for your advice! I'm 50/50 on this for now.

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alynwa January 24 2020, 23:21:22 UTC
I have a male friend who is currently doing KETO. He's been on it just over a year, has lost 62 pounds and according to his doctor, all his numbers (bp, cholesterol, etc.) are excellent. For him, it is not a diet, it is a lifestyle.

What seems to work for me is eating as cleanly as possible; little to no processed food, little to no fried foods, no high fructose corn syrup, little to no chemicals.

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. lindafishes8 January 25 2020, 01:43:27 UTC
I suppose I'm just bored with the routine I seem to be stuck in. I make healthy choices most of the time, but it's those "I fix a little popcorn" moments where I run into trouble and the baking, of course. Dining out with friends is another problem.

That high fructose corn syrup seems to be in so many foods. If sugar is in the top 3 ingredients it's a no-no. It's hard to un-learn 66 years of bad habits.

Thanx, Alynwa!

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vysila January 25 2020, 00:34:06 UTC
I've followed keto and/or low carb for nearly a decade. It is sustainable, the side effects (keto flu) are short ljved, it is delicious and it just plain works. I will PM you tomorrow with more info and we can discuss.

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lindafishes8 January 25 2020, 01:46:03 UTC
That would be great and will help me make a decision. Going to a seed swap tomorrow and will be gone a good chunk of the day. Home after dark, for sure.

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spikesgirl58 January 25 2020, 13:52:19 UTC
Good luck with whatever you try. I did WW and got nailed once I stopped.

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lindafishes8 January 25 2020, 14:19:50 UTC
Me, too. 4X! I hated being weighed in like a side of beef and having to pay for the pleasure, even if it was behind a screen. And then they pedaled their mediocre, overpriced products.

Thanks, Charlie!

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spikesgirl58 January 25 2020, 14:42:26 UTC
I did it once and lost about 60 pounds. I hated the meetings and got so freaking bored at them. Then when I went off it, it all came back and brought friends. Nope, I don't need that again.

I like their lunch entrees (from the store) well enough. They are a fast warm up and I like certain ones a lot.

Good luck!

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lindafishes8 January 25 2020, 22:06:23 UTC
Thanks! I'll admit to keeping a few of those entrees in the freezer as well.

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