It looks like Prop. 8 passed.

Nov 05, 2008 11:06

Damn. I'm heartbroken. Frankly, I cared about as much about that as about the presidential race, if not perhaps a little more. Pity about not being a California voter ( Read more... )

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truthspeaker November 7 2008, 17:50:11 UTC
"Frankly, I cared about as much about that as about the presidential race, if not perhaps a little more."

You're not alone, but I think things like people dying in Iraq and global warming are important too.

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lionofgod November 7 2008, 18:50:54 UTC
Oh, of course. But frankly, I don't expect the outcomes of those issues to be radically different under Obama instead of McCain. Different? Yes. Tremendously so? Probably not. The Congress was still going to be Democratic, and although McCain's rush to agree with the social conservative Republican base disgusted me, I do think McCain is a reasonable guy who would actually work with people of different party labels in order to do what he thought was best for the country, and would be willing to compromise. Obama's someone whose reasoning I tend to respect, but I also don't agree with all of his positions. And frankly, the country would keep going in a reasonable fashion either way, though I'm glad that we don't have to worry about the pressure that might get put on McCain by various extreme wings of the Republican Party. (Instead, we get to worry about pressure being put on Obama by various extreme wings of the Democratic Party... non-secret union balloting, anyone? The nasty persistent rumors about the Fairness Doctrine coming back ( ... )

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truthspeaker November 7 2008, 19:24:19 UTC
Yes. Prop 8 matters, as does similar propositions in AZ and FL, which also went the same way prop 8 did, though CA got all the attention.

That said, I want to say that other things matter too.

People said that Gore and Bush were the same back in 2000. Yet, I think things would have turned out differently under Gore than under Bush -- I'd even go so far as to say it would have been radically different.

Bush turned the system on its ear. He ignored longstanding principles. He didn't listen to advisors (other than for political power) or traditional foreign intelligence or scientists. He ignored legal documents by refusing to accept receipt of them until the result changed. He ran away with things and set up a system where people were afraid to stand up to him.

All that aside, do I expect things to be radically different under a same-party Congress and President than a deadlock? Yes. Do I expect people to notice? No.

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lionofgod November 7 2008, 20:44:56 UTC
Prop. 8 was the in a state that was supposed to be "safe". It's therefore that much more shocking when it passes. I did notice the other marriage and adoption rules passing, none of which made my mood any better ( ... )

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