For all of that, it's funny that when I spent a great deal of time speaking with Muslim men via ICQ a few years back, it seems the one thing they all had in common was this insatiable desire for porn. To the last man, they each admitted having an extensive "blue movie" collection. The internet access was most appreciated for the availability of accessing porn. These guys are starved to death and I honestly believe that this repressive type of culture affects the urge to commit violence.
So they enjoy and lust after it, but confronting them with the real deal is humiliating? Sounds like an effective plan to me.
That's what I was thinking after reading that litany of sexual crimes THEIR culture commits and about Atta and that Saudi Prince. I've heard that before about the Saudi Royals.
I have no compunction whatsoever of letting them be sexually humiliated. Big whoop - they're EMBARRASSED. Who cares about that? At least they're ALIVE. I'm not for pulling fingernails/toenails out with pliers or the "electro-shock" therapy or anything like that. I'm just not convinced that works anyway. I don't even care if they do that water thing with the towel on the face and the dripping water. But it just galls me to no end when people defend those animals.
Worse are that people who defend others who are so bent on harming others would be the very FIRST to complain if their life was ever disrupted by terrorist activities. Aren't these the same people who scream that no one "prevented" 9/11? A sick sort of denial has way too many people in its grips.
I know. It's just so disheartening to me sometimes. I know the US is supposed to be "above all that". We do hold ourselves out to the world to be fair and upright and I really do want us to be. But
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Oh, really? Quite interesting, I must say. When it comes to torture, non-lethal and physically harmful methods are preferred and if you can get good results off of a female officer sexually enticing the prisoner...by all means, go for it. If it geniunely gets inside their head so much that they want to tell what they know quicker, budget in some G-strings and feather boas in the military budget for them.
It is quite interesting to read about the contradictions between the supposedly hardcore Islamists and what they believe versus how they live it out.
Yeah, when I read that about the female soldiers being used to sexually "torture" those animals I went "Oh, boo-hoo for those guys. Give me break." Then when I kept reading all that stuff their culture commits, I cared even less what they did to "sexually humiliate" them. Personally, I was rather a fan of the ladies-underwear-on-the-head as modeled in Abu Graib (sp?) and the feather boa would be a nice touch, too :) haha!
Exactly. When you talk for hours on end about killing the infidels who are supposedly singehandedly spreading immorality in your land and then turning around saying something like, "Hey, Akmed, you know how I said double pentration is the preferred method? I wasn't talking about swords or killing infidels, my friend"...your complaints about "torture" fall on deaf ears. And even if they did use the rough stuff like they rountinely use on us and others, I would still have trouble mustering up sympathy for them considering what they have done and what their mindset is.
I didn't read the post, I read the comments. Does no one understand there are physically harmful stuff and stuff that's spiritually harmful? We just don't see the spiritually harm as readily but the person feels it if their conscience isn't seared. It is more lasting too.
I'm all for defending ourselves but I don't want to stoop to their level. Then we are in trouble as a christian nation. Yes we are a christian nation. Following God will give us the victory without spiritually damage to ourselves as a nation.
It is spiritually upsetting to them, not to us. And if a female officer sexually enticing them is enough to make them seriously question their faith or whatever the case may be, I would strongly question the strength of the faith itself if they are so easily swayed. You have to look at the overall picture which is that these men are among the most dangerous in the world and regardless of what you hear from various media sources, they do know quite a bit about various aspects of the terrorism underbelly around the world. If threatening to have a female officer make sexual advances on them will get them to cough up these details in order to prevent a future attack or to help take down a part of the network...that kind of non-lethal action should be encouraged. Sometimes, Christians need to shed their hand-wringing image and replace it with one donned in the armor of God, standing strong against evil.
You misunderstood my post. It's damaging to the spirit. I am not talking about damaging emotions, feelings,ego or that kind of physical damage. It's not about their faith either.
Sometimes, Christians need to shed their hand-wringing image and replace it with one donned in the armor of God, standing strong against evil. Yes Christians need to shed their hand-wringing image and replace it with one donned in the armor of God, standing strong against evil by being lead by God and trusting Him. You idea of standing against evil with sexual tempatation is a secular, mankind type of standing. It's not how God instructed us to stand. In the OT the people of God did as God instructed. We don't practice that kind of guidance and strong faith today. The walls of Jericho fell without moral torture. In the NT many times when the apostles were in prison/trouble God delivered them without depending on moral torture. God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. We are not the same kind of believing Christains as those before us though.
Damaging to the spirit...well, that is kind of the idea behind torture. To break the will and the spirit so they will talk.
I don't particularly enjoy the fact that it is being used from a Christian standpoint but considering who these men are and what they know...if information can be extracted from them through these easy means, so be it. If anything, it will help them to question their faith a bit more and with the right prison chaplin there, they can maybe start to take a walk in the right direction.
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So they enjoy and lust after it, but confronting them with the real deal is humiliating? Sounds like an effective plan to me.
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I have no compunction whatsoever of letting them be sexually humiliated. Big whoop - they're EMBARRASSED. Who cares about that? At least they're ALIVE. I'm not for pulling fingernails/toenails out with pliers or the "electro-shock" therapy or anything like that. I'm just not convinced that works anyway. I don't even care if they do that water thing with the towel on the face and the dripping water. But it just galls me to no end when people defend those animals.
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It is quite interesting to read about the contradictions between the supposedly hardcore Islamists and what they believe versus how they live it out.
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I'm all for defending ourselves but I don't want to stoop to their level. Then we are in trouble as a christian nation. Yes we are a christian nation. Following God will give us the victory without spiritually damage to ourselves as a nation.
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Sometimes, Christians need to shed their hand-wringing image and replace it with one donned in the armor of God, standing strong against evil.
Yes Christians need to shed their hand-wringing image and replace it with one donned in the armor of God, standing strong against evil by being lead by God and trusting Him. You idea of standing against evil with sexual tempatation is a secular, mankind type of standing. It's not how God instructed us to stand.
In the OT the people of God did as God instructed. We don't practice that kind of guidance and strong faith today. The walls of Jericho fell without moral torture. In the NT many times when the apostles were in prison/trouble God delivered them without depending on moral torture. God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. We are not the same kind of believing Christains as those before us though.
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I don't particularly enjoy the fact that it is being used from a Christian standpoint but considering who these men are and what they know...if information can be extracted from them through these easy means, so be it. If anything, it will help them to question their faith a bit more and with the right prison chaplin there, they can maybe start to take a walk in the right direction.
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