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This is a continuation of a discussion that I got into over on Lee Goldberg's blog that got severely off track. It's probably not of much interest to the majority of my flist, but click on the cut if you're interested.
( Blathering about etiquette vs. ethics and debate styles )
( Blathering about etiquette vs. ethics and debate styles )
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Icon is directed at him, not you.
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Actually there have been at least two other fanfic discussions over there since I got involved last summer, but I was helping to plan a wedding at the time (and then making up work afterwords) and I just didn't have the energy.
To be fair to Mr. Goldberg, this one was an old thread (June, 2005) that heated up again just a few weeks ago. It's one of the ones that periodically explodes with comments because a newbie to the blog discovers it long after the fact (he has a lot of those).
Sorry if your comment took a while to post - I seem to have screening turned on and I haven't figured out how to turn it off yet. ~skips off to figure out LJay~
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(ey-up, in case you followed the link here: I made this post a while ago regarding the motivation to write fic... the post was triggered by the discussion on Goldberg's blog, but I didn't feel like linking my LJ over there. However I'm genuinely interested in hearing differing opinions to check that pet theory, so feel free to drop by to disagree.)
It's probably not of much interest to the majority of my flist, but click on the cut if you're interested.
Heh. Well, count me interested. The Great Fic Debate never gets boring as far as I'm concerned. I've actually been following the zombie thread since its recent revival. FWIW, I enjoy your arguing style tremendously. Your logic is sound, which is refreshing (and a rarity in Lee's fic discussions, otherwise mostly known for fast-flying ad hominems, sweeping generalizations, conflating of unrelated issues... and trolls spouting misogynistic remarks, for some reason.)
Semantics is boring, I'll grant you, but if we are using fundamentally different definitions for the same ( ... )
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You know, I have been hanging around on that blog too long - after having seen fic writers get called pedophiles and losers, 'rude' didn't even register as an insult. Though I suppose it is. In any case, I strongly disagree with the sentiment, being of the mindset that no permission should be needed. [tl;dr warning...]
And I normally wouldn't call someone on it - it's too minor. All I said was that writing fanfic without permission is perfectly polite within the fanfic community and that manners aren't relevant to a question of ethics. Approximately 10,000 words and 8-15 posts later, here we are. Proof that no internet argument can ever be settled quickly.
I'm in the 'fic is critical commentary' camp as well. It's simply a different approach: coming from the right side of the brain as opposed to traditional analysis. I actually think that the majority of fanfic falls into this category. Long, plotty stories in the style of the original work are really in the minority. I'll have to do a survey ( ... )
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OMFG I hate that word.
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"fic" is a diminutive of fiction. A noun, not a verb. "To fic", "he ficked", "ficking", "to get ficked" - these are not real words, people! Of course you'll notice that it is the anti-fanfic crowd that uses it this way. No doubt the similarity to "fuck" is amusing to them. God forbid they simply call it writing - then they'd have to, in some peripheral way, admit that fans can be writers. */pedant*
Actually I've seen it used in fandom as well, only then it's usually spelled 'ficcing, ficced, ficcer'. I've even caught myself using the verb form once or twice but I was cured of that really quicky - I was talking about fic with my rl friends, using the English expressions as one tends to do, and they looked at me like I'd lost my mind. Unfortunately 'fic' sounds exactly like 'fick', which is German for 'fuck'. 'Ficker' is a schoolyard insult and a pretty nasty word overall. It's really distracting if people spell it that way.
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Re: the word ficked
Ok, I may be overreacting there. Now that you point it out, I do see other fans using it so it's hardly fair to criticize non-fans for having picked up on it. It just doesn't get under my skin the same way when fans use it. I guess it's similar to how I don't mind my friends calling me girl, but from strangers it sounds like a dismissal - I'm a woman, dammit! Still don't like the word, but I'm a stickler for language.
Proof that no internet argument can ever be settled quickly.
...if ever. The problem here is that a lot of it boils down to gut feeling...doesn't seem to have much to do with logic... This is the thing that always trips me up - what the hell do their feelings have to do with ethics? I must be particularly good at compartmentalizing or something, though if you had asked me before all this I would have said I'm more of a gestalt thinker. Just shows that perception is more dependent on your ( ... )
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