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a poll regarding the onset of Buffy and Spike's sexual relationship in the BtVS episode "Smashed." I answered "neither" and began to post a comment to explain, but it started to get long-ish, so I thought I'd just do a long-ish blog post instead. What I wrote turned out to be somewhat off-topic in terms of her poll, and more
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Xander knew about Buffy's affair with Spike since the end of Entropy, and he had given her a judgmental lecture about it in Seeing Red, before the rape attempt. Giles learned about Buffy sleeping with Spike in Grave, when she told him; I don't know when or even if he learned about the AR - though I suppose he probably did based on his line "after what he did to you" in LMPTM.
I don't see how that changes anything? They treat it as a rape attempt because it was a rape attempt. Buffy reacts as a rape victim because she was a victim of an attempted rape. How does their sexual past make any difference? An attempted rape or rape is no less so if the ( ... )
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After he reveals this to Buffy, he tries to demonstrate it, which leads Buffy to respond in kind. Amidst the sideshow of typical Sunnydale violence, they exchange half-true insights about each other, and reveal that each of them is in a bit of denial. It's true that Spike enjoys the fact that Buffy can hurt him, because it makes him feel a little more human. It's true that Buffy feels like an outsider, and that she fears she is incapable of love, because trusting lovers has burned her in the past. They're both projecting a lot during that scene; pretty much everything they say about each other feels like 'pot calling kettle black' - which they actually point out to each other. Spike is also lost and feels as an outsider and is undergoing a massive identity crisis - has been since season 4, in fact (a crisis that reaches the climax in Seeing Red and gets resolved in Grave). Buffy is, in many ways, in love with pain - she admits something to that effect back in Something Blue; the ending of this scene hints that pretty ( ... )
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They're both projecting a lot during that scene; pretty much everything they say about each other feels like 'pot calling kettle black'
Yeah, it's so totally true. And it never really stops over the course of the season; they keep obviously monologue-ing about themselves by talking about each other (like a couple of Xanders!)
I think when this is really brought to the biggest boil is in the alley of Dead Things, when Buffy proceeds to physically and verbally beat the ever-loving shit out of herself in the form of Spike. ("You can't feel anything real!"). It's really quite sad by the end of the season. People enjoy talking about how "dark" this season is, but I think they sometimes miss how truly sad it was, and how completely broken they had all become.
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Originally I just typed "only Tara". Maybe I should have left it that way. I guess it's true that she touches it briefly, but it's purely reactive and over soon after it starts. In fact, in a sign of how quickly she regains her senses, she is the one who tries to talk Willow out of seeking vengeance in "Seeing Red", only two episodes removed from her jilting at the end of "Hell's Bells." I see it as a moment of fury that quickly subsides (although I agree that while it lasts it is quite dark).
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Always sort of had the opinion that complaints about the violence in that scene 9 times out of 10 were attempts to politicize the poster's opinion. It can't be just "it turned me off, I didn't like it" (valid enough an opinion). No, it has to be a greater wrong.
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