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binxcat August 12 2007, 13:27:53 UTC
I've never seen that either. I'm struck by two things:

(1) He doesn't sound or look like he's so angry that he's going to keel over from a stroke any moment and

(2) He is actually quite well spoken - he sounds intelligent. I guess that happens when you're not trying to remember how to trip yourself up in all of the lies that have been previously told?

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YENEHC djgyn August 12 2007, 14:09:38 UTC
Which alternate universe did you travel to in order to acquire this video?

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pugofwar August 12 2007, 15:08:14 UTC
Holy crap.

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lostvirtue August 12 2007, 17:24:53 UTC
Jason & I don't actually think that his opinion did change. What's better than a quagmire for funneling cash to your "prior" company and every single corporate friend you've got.

What changed perhaps is his own greed, and how many lives they were willing to spill to get their money.

(And again there was no relation between Sept 11 & Iraq, and I still don't believe the administration actually believed there were "weapons of mass destruction" there.)

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slap_d_back August 13 2007, 17:56:14 UTC
Absolutely. There's a general debate going on about the "failure" of the Iraq war, but the context is all wrong. When you look at the war for what it really is, you see that the Iraq war has in fact been extremely, massively, mind-blowingly successful.

The Iraq war is not about terrorism, peace in the middle east, WMD, Saddam, Al Qaeda, or any of that. It's about funneling as much money from the US Treasury to the corporate coffers as possible. It's about creating a "market" for a wide range of defense contractors, from fancy missiles right on down to in-theater laundry service.

It's not a war. It's a business deal. A really, really, really good one (if you don't mind the blood). This video, among a wide range of other evidence, shows us that the Administration knew exactly what they were doing when they went to Iraq and made all those "mistakes".

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fredfreakazoid August 12 2007, 18:38:17 UTC
It seems everyone thinks this is a semi recent video.. it's dated on the top right 1994. He's talking about the Iraq invasion of Kuwait from back then.

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lostvirtue August 12 2007, 23:45:03 UTC
No one thinks it's recent, not only can you tell he's much younger but the dates are on the video.

I think people are responding to his theoretical "change of heart."

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fredfreakazoid August 14 2007, 05:20:49 UTC
I'm guessing he's since had many people paying him to think other ways in return for their support. Power = corruption so to speak.

My issue is.. suddenly seeing some random video of Dick Cheney is very out of context with pretty much anything as there's no immediate point of current reference. Everyone's all 'omg wow wtf!'.. and I just think "ok.. some old ass video from 13 years ago talking about pursuing Bahgdad after the Kuwait invasion... what's the big deal?"

This being the 2nd time I saw it posted I had to peek in and see what people were saying. I still see no reason to care. In fact I'd be willing to guess most of us didn't even know who Dick Cheney was in 1994.

Not to mention 13 years worth of life influence for anyone would yield many changes in opinions. I don't think people would be all that shocked after finding out I've since dropped my early 90's anti-PC/Microsoft crusade if there was archive video of it.

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lostvirtue August 14 2007, 13:35:12 UTC
I trust the people on my friends list (well, most of them) enough to read the date in the upper right hand corner, I understood the time and context immediately so I assumed they would. The people that commented specificially.

No reason to care? Have you been watching the news for the last five years... did you read my post on Haliburton from about six months ago?

Read me and Jason's comments to this post and then see why we care, I guess. It's just so blatant.

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