The (Mostly) Political Beliefs Meme

Feb 28, 2008 23:18

So here's how this works - I list 5 things I believe in and 5 things I don't believe in. In a comment, you can ask me to explain WHY I do/do not believe in said things (or what said things are - one from each category), and I will do my best to make everything clear, though some will definitely be harder than others. Got it? =) Go for it. Then ( ( Read more... )

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dnwceo February 29 2008, 11:14:19 UTC
1. Why don't you believe in voting?
2. Why don't you believe in following the law for the sake of law? Are you saying you should choose which laws to follow and which to ignore? In that case, the legal framework is meaningless, and without rule of law you'll inevitably have rule by strength/intimidation (warlords).

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dnwceo February 29 2008, 11:24:36 UTC
To clarify, I do believe you have the right to ignore the law if the legal framework makes it impossible to change that law, but in that case the society has major issues that typically have to be resolved through revolution.

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lotrwariorgodss March 1 2008, 01:07:21 UTC
I think we're on the same page here, but I'll answer anyway, as if you didn't clarify.

To begin with, let me make myself clearer - what I mean by that statement (not following the law for the sake of the law) is: Law is not morally right simply because it is the law. If I choose to follow the law it is because I see reason or soundness in it, not because I "should" or because I've been told to. Now, because I still believe in the concept of a social contract, I believe that if I have no moral opposition to a law that I should follow it, because I have a responsibility to my society. If, however, I do have a moral opposition to a law, I do not consider myself obliged to follow that law; but again, because of my belief in social contracts, I would be responsible for my actions and obliged to accept the consequences of breaking the law. Does this mean I have a duty to try and change the law? Not necessarily. I am not an orator, I don't believe I have the motivation necessary to rally and protest and bring about huge changes - it's just ( ... )

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lotrwariorgodss February 29 2008, 13:18:34 UTC
This is gonna take me a little while, but I will answer, okay? =)
(And you were supposed to pick ONE from each list, lol, but I'll let it slide)

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kittehkat February 29 2008, 19:59:13 UTC
4. Dulling life's experiences (especially pain).

Examples, plz. Also, my little masochist, I wonder if you mean physical or mental. ;) You can explain over dinner, of course, so you don't have to type it out.

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lotrwariorgodss March 1 2008, 00:50:12 UTC
Will do! Lol. And yes, I mean mental/emotional pain (though you know I'm a dirty masochist and don't like dulling physical pain either ;)).

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ktnau09 February 29 2008, 20:59:35 UTC
Ha, you're so hardcore, Megan! Anarchy? Prostitution? I may have to introduce you to some punk music...The Clash, The Sex Pistols... :D (Actually you might like the Clash; they're one of my faves)

Hm, I probably should have read the other comments to make sure this hasn't been asked yet but, if it hasn't, explain the Kohlberg moral development stuff bc I don't know what that is.

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lotrwariorgodss March 1 2008, 00:44:41 UTC
Ha, you're so hardcore, Megan! - Haha, tell my pigtails, and Disney movies, and my lullaby tapes that!
I'm just prepping for our revolution, Kayte, and you better be too! We won't be young and empowered forever you know ;)

Anyway, Kohlberg! He did studies and came up with a theory about the stages of moral development an individual goes through in life. Some are related largely to the age of the individual, but the higher ones some people never reach or reach late in life. Very briefly, they are as follows:

Pre-conventionalStage 1: A person's sense of right and wrong is based on whether or not they will be punished for doing something. In this person's view, authority is always right, because they have the power of punishment, and if an act is punishable it is a morally wrong act. Example - "Stealing is wrong because you could go to jail ( ... )

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ktnau09 March 1 2008, 05:27:13 UTC
Huh, that's really interesting! Whether this was intentional or not, I don't know, but it kinda fits with our school curriculum. I'm thinking like Mr. Ross, Mr. C, Ms. Dill all did a lot with Stages 5-6--1984, Hobbes/Locke/Rousseau, Crime and Punishment, etc...Maybe that's why we're all so "mature". Hehe.

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lotrwariorgodss March 1 2008, 18:00:29 UTC
Yep, I've thought about that a lot since learning it, and I like to think it was very intentional. That makes me happy =)

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