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lovelark

my issue with christians...

Jan 12, 2005 07:01

Now before I bury myself, I'd just like to state that I know I'm generalizing. I know there are plenty of christians who are wonderful people. There are christians who travel the world giving, and helping other people, and hardly give a second thought to thier own comfort. There are christians that reach out with love BEFORE they start spewing ( Read more... )

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varga39 January 12 2005, 14:11:10 UTC

Not to defend myself or anybody else, but I wouldn't speak so harshly of your "friends." Nobody is perfect.

lovelark January 12 2005, 14:15:36 UTC

why would you put that word in quotations, john?
Are you trying to imply something?

Yes, john, my friends. They've been my friends for 5 years, and in my book, they still are- so back off if you think you're being smart.

I'm tired of watching people from that particular group of friends get reprimanded for being "unclean" sexually, while everyone who's scolding goes out and gropes eachother at parties.

I'm not requesting perfection, but I'm tired of hypocrisy.

And by the way... lovelark January 12 2005, 14:55:17 UTC

This journal entry was NOT addressed to anyone. I'm not trying to criticize any person, or any specific group of people. I'm not yelling, and I'm not trying to start a fight. I'm just struggling- alot- and I'm frusturated because people who I look to for help judge me more than they're there for me...and because It breaks my heart when religious organizations alienate people for any reason at all...

and I just wish people would be better to eachother. Ecspecially in the name of something as supposedly sacred as God.

varga39 January 12 2005, 15:41:54 UTC

I don't like when people talk religion either. I agree we should drop it in most cases. I too don't feel comfortable when people quote scripture. Sorry for the "friends" thing... I was just being stupid because I felt you were implying that we are all too sexually active. I think Laura expressed this best saying: "Maybe we could all be better people by not touching each other. But I think we are growing up and there is much more closeness (not just the butt-tag it used to be)just because we are all physically lonesome at school, or with everyone at school. Knowing that whatever you do or say you are still welcome to get a hug or kiss feels good to me. Maybe I am wrong, and sinful.Also, none of us have found the love of our lives and so we have no where else to turn to release our emotions ( ... )

lovelark January 14 2005, 09:57:02 UTC

John, I do like you. I always did. I think you're a good person, and I even thought you were a good person when you were with Sheryl. I'm glad you're hanging out with our friends because they like you alot, and I think you add something that was missing before.

I do wish I got to see everyone more, and notice the subtleties in how they've changed. I guess I just feel left out because I'm doing something SO different from everyone else, and I know it makes people feel strange.

thank you for not taking the defensive like I did. That shows grace.

mrwhippymug January 12 2005, 15:56:32 UTC

I just spoke with you on the phone, and you seemed pretty convinced that I would be pissed at this post. I agree completely with just about everything you say. And let me just say, that people who don't practice what they preach, aren't Christians. My friends at school definitely address that when they're talking about people when faith is involved. We use the word "solid". If a person says they are Christian but don't practice it, they're not solid, and by my thinking, don't have what I would determine to be a "true" faith. Now maybe they're truly searching and just haven't found out how to live that faith yet, but if they'r earnestly searching, they'll find it. It's unfortunate that Christians get the rap we do because usually the worst and most hypocritical Christians are the loudest and the ones everybody sees and hears, and that's how stereotypes and generalizations start. But you're right on the money when you're upset with people like that, because they are full of shit. It's an unfortunate fact of life ( ... )

mrwhippymug January 12 2005, 21:38:20 UTC

One thing I forgot to address that I wanted to was your talk about quoting scripture. I don't agree with the blanket statement of "DON'T SPEW SCRIPTURE AND EXPECT IT TO MEAN A SINGLE THING TO UNBELIEVERS," because in many cases it works. There have been quite a few occasions where a bible passage will bring someone to Jesus. It just depends on the person and what they need to hear to believe. It doesn't work in all cases, but it definitely has. And it depends how people use scripture too. Obviously, if they take things out of context, then that's not right. Since sentences can mean a lot if they agree with the context they're in. And obviously if they're doing it just to prove their knowledge of the Bible to look good to others then that's just stupid too. But there are many times where if I'm trying to comfort someone or help them through a tough time that I'll use scripture, because it will state things better than I could. Like quoting a poem or song lyrics. If it does a really good job of stating your point, then use it ( ... )

thatguitarguy January 12 2005, 23:21:58 UTC

Well I'll definately agree with beths post and I'd really like to get together and just talk about whatever...I just like having those conversations that really make you think and sometimes just go "YES!! FRIGGIN RIGHT ( ... )

oh yeah... thatguitarguy January 12 2005, 23:27:26 UTC

I forgot to mention that while scripture can be a decent tool...its not always the best. In my opinion, personal experience is the best tool.

starlet_19 January 12 2005, 18:32:09 UTC

Hey sweetie. Who's the "woman" at work that you were talking about? Bethany?? That's who first came to mind!

lovelark January 12 2005, 19:21:21 UTC

yes, it was :o)
(for those confused, not me, another chick named Bethany)