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lovelark

Won't mean a thing to anyone but me

Feb 17, 2005 07:25

How can anyone sey what love is? What trust is or what pain is? My pain is not your pain. My joy is not your joy. These words don't mean anything. They're vauge expressions at the very best. Words always fail ( Read more... )

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mrwhippymug February 17 2005, 10:36:25 UTC

It sounds like you're hitting on some very interesting points. We can't ever truly know what anyone else is thinking or feeling. That's why trust is so important in relationships. You have to trust the other person to be true to what they're saying and feeling. You have to trust them to interpret their own feelings, and act accordingly. I think in the general sense though, we can get a pretty good idea of what pain or love or joy is. Well, love is a little harder, but the other two we can work with. We all have similar experiences with pain and joy. If you drop something very heavy on your toe, that's a pretty universal feeling for pain, because it's something that everyone can relate to. If you say that you're best friend has betrayed your trust, people can get a sense for the pain you're in because most people have experienced that and can draw on the feelings those memories elicit. Joy is the same way. Opening presents on Christmas Day is an instance that most people can relate to. Spending time with friends who you ( ... )

lovelark February 18 2005, 12:17:57 UTC

I love how everyone places the most importance on love. I quite agree with that.

I know what you're saying. I'm just feeling that lately humans are severely limited in daily communication. I think we don't understand eachother well enough. No one has enough empathy.

But you're right, a sense of pain is universal, if degrees are often lost.

from Claire anonymous February 17 2005, 12:27:27 UTC

Claire to Bethany and Nick, greetings ( ... )

from Claire again anonymous February 17 2005, 12:33:37 UTC

I guess duty just gets to me because it seems so empty. At the same time, I do believe that I have duties and that they are important, but doing them is a joy and not a chore & so I guess at that point, they're not the empty duties.

Ok, well, the other way to live, let's see, I'd be called blind to the world, optimistic, stupid, idealistic, whatever...I'm happy to be that way. I belive that there is a possiblity for truth in each person. I can't help it...there has to be. Not everyone is consitently truthful, but at somepoint they are real. That's just a fact that if I didn't believe I don't think I'd be able to love.

anyway, I know you both are well read and would love to read more. 2 authors I highly reccommend: Kant and J.S. Mill. And you can't read one without reading the other. They argue and agree and argue and agree & it's pretty cool to think about how people should live with them & what it means to be an individual and free. Whatev. If you ever find time.
(to be continued)

Re: from Claire anonymous February 17 2005, 12:44:36 UTC

As far as knowing what joy and love and pain and all that jazz is. I agree with Nick to a great degree ( ... )

Re: from Claire anonymous February 17 2005, 12:51:32 UTC

Now that's just one part of love, but I think it applies to the other kinds as well. how? Let's see.
1. Selflessness
2. Trust
3. Faith
I happen to belive that's the definition of reciprocated love. notice, I say reciprocated. Not all love is. Not all people are capable (currently) to reciprocate love. And like NIck says, the more you show love, the more others want to show it.
It's not about proof. It's about showing it because you want to.
Well...until I can send you my finished paper on the topic of love for a class (which will be next friday) I'll stop. I've got more research and heart search to do.

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Foolish creature.... anonymous March 10 2005, 12:43:44 UTC

It is amazing how inexperinced youth make themselves believe their parents are stupid enough to fall for a teenaged facade. It isn't just generic 'people' that can and DO lie their little heads off... YOU lie your little head off too. I sincerely doubt your parents are foolish enough to fall for what you put in front of them. It's funny, but once you have offspring you get this silly drive to pay attention to them. They KNOW. There's no question about that. They see the truth more often than you think and they KNOW the difference between window-dressing and truth. Most adults do.

Re: Foolish creature.... lovelark March 10 2005, 13:05:52 UTC

I don't know who you are- but it's quite clear you don't know me. I am an adult. I do not live with my parents. I'm married, with a career, and a rent of my own.

I am certain most parents pay very close attention to thier children. That's probably, instinct, don't you think? I can tell you haven't met my parents. They're different, and while I'm sure they love me as well as they can, they don' know very much about me, or my siblings.

I think it's very childish for you to annonymously post, and then call me a "foolish creature".

I wonder. Would you know your children?