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a_train_415 October 17 2005, 22:43:20 UTC
YEAH TAKE THAT SECULAR WORLD!!!!

just kidding.

i haven't studies evolution enough to know what in the world i'm talking about either, and i don't think one chapter out of "Case for Faith," qualifies me as an expert, so i can't really talk with any authority on it.

but i am a little dissapointed in the way the Church seems to have cut all ties with the secular world over evolution. i think there is the possibility for a much more reasonable dialogue between the 2.

hope what i said dosen't qualify as "yeah that's right" or "that's a bunch of crap." i'm not trying to talk about evolution, just the way the church has delt with people who believe in it.

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lovethelogos October 18 2005, 00:13:25 UTC
i think alot of it is that because live in an american culture we immediately turn to science as "truth" unquestioned, and then when somebody says "christianity isn't science" we get upset.

I understand its much much much more than that, but definitely our view of "science" and how we have depended on it so much, its very easy to get touchy about it.

no your comment doesn't qualify!

But you can see why I would be afraid people might do that.

TAKE THAT LOGIC!

--steven

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a_train_415 October 18 2005, 02:11:55 UTC
i completely agree. the fact that we've transitioned into an imperical society can really produce biased thinking.

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slyfoot October 17 2005, 23:07:52 UTC
I've read Behe's book Darwin's Black Box and found it interesting, but I'm not qualified to say how valid it is. This issue has been one that has plagued me for years. I am not a scientist so I can't defend the particulars of evolution either. I'm well-read enough on the subject to form an opinion about it though. Ultimately I've decided that whether evolution is true or not, it takes a leap of faith to believe there is a Creator, and I choose to make that leap of faith. That means that I believe that whatever natural processes exist, I believe there is a Divine Mind behind it. If this is the sort of comment you didn't want to see, I apologize, but I'm not sure exactly what you were looking for (if anything).

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lovethelogos October 18 2005, 00:15:15 UTC
Aslong as people are willing to admit there own ignorance in the subject they are studying.

people often rally behind something and they do not know what, that is very dangerous, for anyone.

Yeah, I think I agree with you.

I didn't mean to make people scared to comment :)

--steven

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212tomilam October 21 2005, 03:55:21 UTC
I just gotta ask, what's the point of your use of the phrase "...what the hell..."?

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lovethelogos October 21 2005, 06:50:04 UTC
i guess it flows better than damn it, and stupid bastards, and things like that.

Do you have an opinion about the main topic of the post, or just the "what the hell part"?

--steven

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212tomilam October 21 2005, 18:12:49 UTC
Well, for one I'm not positive what is all entailed by "intelligent design" as referenced in that article. It's referring to the theory that a higher being designed life rather than a natural evolutionary process right? Anyway, I'm definitely not surprised that mainstream scientists discount intelligent design over evolution, and would be shocked if they didn't. They are worldly people who don't want to give a shadow of a hint that they recognize the existence of God.

That's my opinion on the post, I think it's a great topic. I do not understand the need for your phrasing though. It's a misuse of both the english language ("what the hell" doesn't really make sense if you actually look at it, other than for emphasizing a point), and spiritual terminology IMO. I just don't see the need to use that kind speech when trying to get a point across.

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lovethelogos October 21 2005, 20:32:01 UTC
i guess "chances are if you are reading this, you have no damn clue what the hell you are talking about" or "chances are if you are reading this, you lack sufficient and reasonable knowledge on either subject"

I don't know which words would run better.

whatever really emphasizes the fact that we really do not know what we are talking about, followed by some word that would add severity.

--steven

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