Comments | lurkingchicken: I don't care about your precious Canon or MYTHOS, Smallville!

lurkingchicken

I don't care about your precious Canon or MYTHOS, Smallville!

Aug 25, 2010 21:54

This is a rant, something I'll blog elsewhere with much more snark and profanity, but thought I'd share my thoughts here. I've posted this in other threads, but it comes down to this and yes, ALL Mileage May Vary:

I don't give a damn about CANON or frakin' MYTHOS!

If I wanted to read the Harry Potter books vs. the movies, I would. (Have done neither ( Read more... )

!chlollie, !i am one of the ten, !team green, !discussions

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astrid26a August 26 2010, 02:36:10 UTC

Wow! Lovely rant my friend! I always felt that when Lana left for Paris she should have never come back! I actually liked KK and then they brought her back possesed with her witchy ancestor who was out to get some stones and blah blah blah! Seriously I blanked out on most of that season and only remember it because of Jensen Ackles mmmm Jensen Ackles *drool*. Ok back to my rant. The problem is that SV was a great show and nothing ever had to be sacrificed for the mythos to hold up no characters had to be thrown under the bus. There's no reason that in the five eps that we will have for AM/Chloe that they can't have her comeback reaffirm that yes Chlollie IS love and have her leave to assume her cover as a either a reporter/Watchtower in Star City or roving reporter/Watchtower/recruter for the JLA with the implication that when they're done fighting whatever big bad they have planned for the final season of SV that Ollie will be joining her. It's just that simple happy ending for everyone and who cares that Dollie is comic ( ... )

lurkingchicken August 26 2010, 04:44:48 UTC

See I have read so many workable scenarios, like yours. Even the reporter as a "cover" for more JLA biz, so smart and easy to do! Yet when I do my protect my heart thing.. the only things I can come up with are pretty much absurd... or just weak ( ... )

astrid26a August 26 2010, 05:20:17 UTC

I think the irony is that it took them 9 seasons and a very pissed off but optimistic Chloe fanbase to see just how much the character of Chloe Sullivan effects the show. They didn't want us to know how many eps AM had because they know we don't have the confidence that they can do her character the justice it deserves in just five eps. I mean hell if they couldn't do it in 9 seasons there's not much to say they can do it in 5eps! So the question then becomes what makes some of us think they actually CAN get it right? Fear is the answer. Fear is a powerful motivator I mean if the ratings tank in the final season and with the many Chloe fans from various fanbases who saw Chlollie as the last chance for Chloe to have a decent adult relationship tuning out and refusing to watch because they don't think they'll get a decent s/l that's it for the whole season. No one wants to go out on ratings that barely make a blip on the radar. I mean let's face it the only think that could make as much buzz as AM's leaving and only doing 5eps ( ... )

lurkingchicken August 27 2010, 04:00:32 UTC

Loved the mini rant, and at this point, after what I've read about things they've said regarding other things (Lex, Chloe, S8, etc.) .. I will AVOID at all costs their bullshit.

ITA that it's not enough time to do right by the character, the show, the fans.. but it is what it is. Hoping that a miracle can happen, things can change for the last third of the season and we get a little more. Sure as hell won't hold my breath for that.. or the "CAN they get it right?" question.

Yes they've done an awesome job with Chlollie, but as so many here will tell you.. the greatness of the characters writes itself. FWIW.

kc_2009 August 26 2010, 03:44:42 UTC

So agree with you, LC. This time good story telling and continuity involves Chlollie as endgame. If they can't do that, they're nothing but poor chickens (with all due respect to your name, of course :P) that are too afraid to defy mythos for once (and make a story even better than comics, if you ask me). Here's to hope KS and BP are not lying with all their promises.

lurkingchicken August 26 2010, 04:18:09 UTC

Promises, shmomises. That's why I don't pay attention to show runners. They THINK they're doing great, have their natural bias, right ( ... )

kc_2009 August 26 2010, 21:59:08 UTC

Part of my brain knows that this can end bad for our ship, but I also believe that such end would be nothing but a crappy excuse to kiss the freakin mythos a** once again.

But the other part of my brain refuses to believe any crap they can throw at us. Chlollie is endgame, that's my version and Im sticking to it. I know parting ways nicely is something people could accept, but to be honest, right now only thinking about it upsets me.

lurkingchicken August 27 2010, 04:07:50 UTC

KC, I hear you. Upsets me too! I sent Gen or someone a list of ways to break them up.. none of it worked. I mean you have to get so crazy with it, then it gets dumb.

But the "we're healed.. so we can be happy.. with other people" moving on crap, some other b.s. I just don't buy. Yes Chloe is scared, but she's not a quitter, she would not IMO throw this away; neither would Oliver. They'll fight for it, so if TPTB don't fight for them.. PISSED!

Chlollie will still my ship, no matter what.

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lurkingchicken August 27 2010, 04:04:32 UTC

Off topic: I did not mind Clana per se, I minded what 7+ years of it did to the show, the characters. I liked Alicia, hated the waste of that, and the roller coaster of Clana when clearly that was set it stone. So why torture me with it for years? IDK.. like I said after so much time the story of Clana became too soapy and just took over IMO, made it harder for me to like Clark and the show. YMMV.

It's like each time they took one step towards originality, they took two steps back because of the need to follow those stupid mythos. I'm kinda expecting them to do the same thing with Chlollie. I'm sooo expecting a stupid and contrived break up which will make no sense at all, but which will end up aligning the mythos.

Back to the rant: See that's it, THAT! Hope for the best but be prepared for frakin Smallville (i.e. the worst.) because they have regressed and retconned so much, sad.

latetothpartyhp August 26 2010, 17:10:27 UTC

I love this whole rant, but I especially love this:

I am grateful to the source material, I just do not hold it sacred.Being too anal retentive about this stuff kills creativity. Comics are not weekly television shows, or movies; beyond the FX issues, different formats require different narrative structures. Plus, times change. As Mad Men shows us season after season, it's not the 60s anymore and thank the universe for that. Maintaining some aspects of the material (like hiding one's identity from one's girlfriend over a period of several years) for iconocity's sake can make the characters extremely unattractive to modern viewers ( ... )

lurkingchicken August 27 2010, 04:13:44 UTC

Word. ITA with you about the Secret; the lies just do not hold up in a modern, truly mutual relationship built on respect and love. IMO.

I entertained the idea that emo!Clark, Clana, Lois' lack of interest in journalism, etc., were all meant to be ironic twists on the canon. Ha. They were MEANT to be ironic twists, but never fully went there. Lana was supposed to be the young love of his life, then he'd realized he wanted someone else. Not that Lana was not good, but that HE had changed and wanted, fell more in love and connected with someone else, Lois. Have not seen that, YMMV.

Like you said.. SV just rested on the laurels of others.. trotting out random DC villains and heroes, rather than really telling a new story. Just waste.

It's not sacred, it does kill creativity.. so I don't get the tension with some of the fans, the show, DC, etc. But that's cause I don't care about the comic as much as the show I've watched so long. Just me. *shrugs*

gwen589 August 26 2010, 22:45:06 UTC

Maybe the writers and creators aren't really that good? I'm still hung up on the fact that this show should not have gone past 5 seasons! After 5 seasons, shows start to go downhill and I don't think SV was really on that much of a big hill to begin with, you know what I mean ( ... )

lurkingchicken August 27 2010, 04:20:26 UTC

Loved it, Gwen! just don't have time to REALLY reply right now. I'll be back but WOW.. I agree, with you on "SV has more to worry about than aligning mythos."

One thing I've said before.. that if the One More Season thing was SV's Kryptonite, then the damn MYTHOS was its BlackK, giving it divergent yet equally ??? personalities that just can't work together or apart. IDK.

But of course, were this show on any other network without the Superman name to trade on, it'd never have lasted this long (or even to S5 IMO). So I do have to give "props" to mythos for that, making the show go on long enough to give us CHLOLLIE!!!!!

lurkingchicken August 29 2010, 01:52:08 UTC

Gwen, Your rant was so awesome, gotta go line by line and edit, as my reply is too long.

never truly impressed with SV version of Lois Lane.. always thought she was supposed to be smarter than what she's been portrayed as, even as she's gotten older
In what was supposed to be a Mythos-defying twist.. but they never made sense of it. You can have her in Smallville but don't have to send her back to high school. Yes she figured out about Oliver and Clark at times, blah blah.. but still get the same mileage on how she's been developed.

an uncharismatic ClarkLack of charisma is the least of his problems IMO. One of the few times I CAN'T argue that he's always been like this.. he at least did have a certain charm the first 3 or 4 seasons... then all downhill. MMV.

Chloe, whom I like, but has been written with some bad character flaws (denial, insecurity and - even though she's all about discovering truth, being loyal, being a martyr. I always think some of the reasons she does those things is because she wants Clark to actually ( ... )

lurkingchicken August 29 2010, 01:53:04 UTC

Here's the rest.

S9 we have emo Oliver, more uncharismatic Clark (and more bad acting by Tom W.), more less-than-intelligent Lois and Chloe in charge of the exposition. we end with Salvation and all the Smallville uber-fans talking about how the fight with Clark and Zod (who HAS GOT TO BE ONE OF THE MOST UNINTERESTING VILLAINS EVER) was 'awesome' and one of the best EVER (according to K-Site). Have their expectations sunk so low?

The bar is so low, can hardly see it down there, even grading on the SV curve.

And Oh - can I just roll my eyes at one poster on that site who claimed that the way Lois found out about Clark's identity was epic and fantastic was because she 'knew' him, it was 'intimate,' Lois put '2 and 2 together.' Hellloooooo - maybe the reason why she found out was because Oliver told Clark that maybe Lois finally deserved to know his identity. Maybe it was because he either thought he was going to die or be swept up in glowy lights. Either way -- L&C have known each other years, they work together, they're DATING ( ... )