That is where your logic starts to fall apart. If it is available, they will use it. If you buid it, they will come.
Let's rephrase Mach's post to make it simpler: Wouldn't it be great if we all ate dog food? So let's make dog food available to everyone to eat. But what happens when after going through all of the trouble to make it available to everyone in every strata of soceity and the world, few or no one eats the dog food? History has shown us when that has happened, it suddenly becomes mandatory.
Education: You don't have to go to public school. But if you don't you DO have to educate your children either at home or at a private school. We made a compromise there in this country.
Or do you suggest it would be better if we allowed any parent that wanted to keep their child at home and not give them the necessary tools to function?
This was run on NPR a few months ago: A lot of families are also having adult kids go back to living with them or continue to into their 30's. This was mentioned regarding Greece and Italy where it's encouraged, as well as for financial reasons. They had mentioned it effecting relationships and creating their own families.
When you say it was affecting their relationships and they were creating new families, how do you mean? That the family unit was getting bigger? Or what? How was it affecting the family relationships?
I'm all for the first 2 items on the list. How could you accomplish #3? Especially considering that many US politicians seem to encourage the opposite -_-
Three sorta happens on it's own. You can see it in action here. When you get away from the sex=reproduction lockstep and bring education into the mix, people get more curious, more adventurous.
Today in the US we have a quiet revolution going on. When I was in highschool there was ONE guy who was out of the closet. He managed because he was friends with certain girls who dated guys on our foot ball team.
Contrast, my boyfriend went to a highschool where it was "cool" to be bi. It makes me giggle. The great thing about all those politicians? They're old. They'll die soon. :-D
Also a neat thing.. by programs I'm basically referring to item 2. If you know something is an option, you're already half way there to TRYING it. And if everyone's trying it.. then there's little stigma to it. And if your option is doing something fun but maybe getting pregnant, vs doing something that's fun with little consequence.. which would you do? :-D
From my perspective I don't see that revolution happening. What I mean is, instead of watching it happen (or waiting for it to pick up), how can someone actively encourage it? Without, you know, creating national controversy?
There is going to be national controversy. There's no way around that. That's part of the process and how we avoid the Tyranny that Spiked is worried about. Things jostle around until you find a workable solution amid compromise and growth
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And I agree, I think for a number of us, that's a great solution. It's just not the only solution. There are 1's as well as 6's on the Kinsey scale. :-D I figure if sex ed covers ALL the options and goes into detail over the ones that are likely to result in pregnancy and focuses heavily on safe sex it'd be a good thing.
I really don't want to get into the religious side of this, but, I think Religion has to be part of the solution, simply because I don't see it going away any time soon. We've seen in recent times that even the catholic pope can moderate his stances. I'd like to see that continue. Remember, science, in part, grew out of the monasteries of the middle ages. Religion is the why. Science is the how. Or at least, I'd like to think of them that way.
Also, I wouldn't want to banish spirituality from life, no matter how misguided some of it's adherents are. I think it has something to offer us. And as long as folks have something in common, they'll gather to form churches of one sort or another.
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If it were readily available, most people WOULD use some combo of it
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Let's rephrase Mach's post to make it simpler:
Wouldn't it be great if we all ate dog food?
So let's make dog food available to everyone to eat.
But what happens when after going through all of the trouble to make it available to everyone in every strata of soceity and the world, few or no one eats the dog food? History has shown us when that has happened, it suddenly becomes mandatory.
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Education: You don't have to go to public school. But if you don't you DO have to educate your children either at home or at a private school. We made a compromise there in this country.
Or do you suggest it would be better if we allowed any parent that wanted to keep their child at home and not give them the necessary tools to function?
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Today in the US we have a quiet revolution going on. When I was in highschool there was ONE guy who was out of the closet. He managed because he was friends with certain girls who dated guys on our foot ball team.
Contrast, my boyfriend went to a highschool where it was "cool" to be bi. It makes me giggle. The great thing about all those politicians? They're old. They'll die soon. :-D
Also a neat thing.. by programs I'm basically referring to item 2. If you know something is an option, you're already half way there to TRYING it. And if everyone's trying it.. then there's little stigma to it. And if your option is doing something fun but maybe getting pregnant, vs doing something that's fun with little consequence.. which would you do? :-D
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NOT trying to be a funny guy. I am serious.
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Also, I wouldn't want to banish spirituality from life, no matter how misguided some of it's adherents are. I think it has something to offer us. And as long as folks have something in common, they'll gather to form churches of one sort or another.
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