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[madelineusher]

HEY HEY P4 LIKING PEOPLE HEY

A friend and I were talking about P4's True End on AIM and came to... interesting conclusions, and I figured I'd share and see what you guys had to say maybe? IDK

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I don't think Adachi is emptiness, either, though I still stick with Souji = hope. I kind of lean Adachi as despair, actually, because he goes on that huge tirade about how the world fucks over your hopes and dreams and it's pointless to be an optimist when you're an adult because the world is unforgiving and cruel. I think Namatame's efforts work for emptiness, too, though, because everything he did was in an attempt to fill the void that his losses left behind. He lost Mayumi and his job and his prestige and his wife, and he had to find something to fill the huge gap it left behind, so he started his SAVIOR!!! routine.

I think Adachi as despair fits with THE WORLD WILL NEVER BE BETTER too, because that's what despair is, it's a resignation to things being always the way they are without any hope for improvement.

I think Souji's victory and the fact that it's brought about by S. Links wherein people change for the better proves he's hope. Even if he's not hope personally, he was a force of hope for those people, giving them a

[madelineusher]

I think Adachi works damn better as despair than emptiness, that can be agreed on! I hadn't thought of as Namatame as filling in the gaps in his life before, but yeah, that works too.

Yeah, Adachi's just... so goddamn pissed and bleak and filled with anger/despair at how much everything kind of sucks and will always suck.

So even though Souji's empty and blank he motivates others? Yeah, I can see that working, even if it sill seems weird to have this unresponsive, strange kid as hope. He certainly is a catalyst for hope and change, even if he himself seems untouched by it.

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Yeah I don't know if it's so much Souji himself being FULL OF HOPE as him having the ability to inspire hope in other people. His S. Links are by and large people who are absolutely miserable with themselves that he helps to overcome their difficulties and become better people. Ai is a great example of this, too, if you've ever finished her link, and from as far as I've gotten it, Naoki, too. And even the Devil and Tower links. I still have never gotten very far on Temperance because Eri is kind of an idiot but yeah, you get the point. Souji may not be FULL OF HOPE ... but he kind of is, actually. He doesn't say much, really, but he has a constant drive to do the right thing, to uncover the right answer, and faith that even if it's difficult, he will find that answer. It's brought up pretty early in game, iirc -- I forget whether it comes up in the Velvet Room or the club first, but Shadow Teddie asks you and Igor does as well, if you think you can find the truth even though it's masked in fog, and Souji's answer is pretty much "well

[madelineusher]

I feel like Souji might have a lot of hope for the world/the town/whatever, but what seems to lack for me and what keeps throwing me off is his sort of lack of hope for himself. "I'll have to move on after a year, can't let myself get too close" - that sort of thing. It might just be my imagination, but... But I guess even without that sort of personal hope his drive for good and his ability to inspire others still push him far enough. Izanami was just grabbing random kids at gas stations, man, she couldn't get picky.

Very true. That bad end is just... flat - Nanako's in stasis, all your friends are not quite sad and not quite happy... It does give a rather blank/empty feel.

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SOB I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT i'm so out of the loop

brb stealing my brother's ps2

[pana]

Ah, this just came up while talking to Igor, regarding the Fool:

"It is like the number zero... empty, yet holding infinite potential within itself."

Reply: "Empty..?"

"The Persona ability is the power to control one's own heart... and the heart is strengthened through bonds. As you form bonds by becoming involved with others, your own Social Links will gradually develop. The power of these Social Links is what will determine your Persona's abilities."

It looks like Igor confirms that you're empty, and it's those around you who give you that power to change the world. I didn't think anything of it during the first play, haha.

[madelineusher]

Ooh, I hadn't thought about that! I'm pretty sure you get a similar speech in P3, but it doesn't change the interesting aspects of it. All that catalyzes Souji, all that motivates him, is external - social links and the like. He's so completely shaped by those around him, and part of that is gameplay, but really...