D'awwing and Ranting and loving D/R
Sometimes, it just takes me watching David Tennant and Billie Piper being ridiculously sweet next to each other in an in-vision commentary for Doomsday to get my spirits up to war against the haters and the fact that I'm very sort of nervous that you-know-who is coming back.
While I love Rose, adore her with every fibre of my being, and not only because I ship the Doctor/Rose, because I think Rose is the most kick-awesomest thing since the word awesome was awesomely invented, I think I was one of the very few, the... very very few who heard that Rose was coming back and paused, scrunched up my face and said "Really?" in a very sceptical and not happy manner.
When I first heard that Rose was coming back, I really didn't know what to think about it. The initial reaction was of course "OH, MY GOD, ROSE IS COMING BACK, THERE IS JOY IN THE STREETS, MEN, CALL TO ARMS!" but after that first massive tsunami of jubilation faded into the distance and left my innards in a wreckage of excitement, I began to think.
I really didn't want Rose coming back. I suppose that somehow makes me a horrible and undeniably heinous person, but I think I have some reasoning behind this. Because then what was the point of Doomsday? Rose's return really renders that episode mostly moot, especially the ending scene, especially that and that makes me sad, because that scene was what made the episode strikingly beautiful. Without it, Doomsday would have just been any other episode, just any other series finale, but it wasn't and that was what I loved about it. It was the Doctor and Rose saying goodbye to each other, never to see each other again. That was what made that scene so unbearably heartbreaking, because you knew that this was it. This was all. The Doctor and Rose reign had ended, and we had to move on.
Some people went into denial for a while (I know I did), most of the fandom retaliated with the introduction of Martha... I admit that I really did sort of leave Doctor Who halfway through Series 3 and went to catch up on Stargate Atlantis again because it really did get that bad. Hate wars started between Doctor/Rose shippers and Doctor/Martha shippers and I honestly couldn't stand it. That's not what fandom's about. There's still a lot of that now, but I find it easier to pretend they're not there, because this Series has been absolutely lovely. Series 3, while having some fantastic episodes, will never, ever be considered to be a favourite of mine, unfortunately.
Digressing here, sorry. Hmm. Where was I. Oh yes.
I wasn't excited about Rose coming back. With all my heart, I really hoped it wasn't true. Because after such a tissue wasting end to their relationship, a return seemed to null that episode quite a bit. But it's more than that, really, because if I look at it realistically, the writers are definitely not going to give us our happily ever after. That's not how television works, especially if this show has still got thirty or so years left of life in it. The main characters aren't allowed to have a happily ever after until the end, it's sort of a rule. It's a good rule, because then that would be jumping the shark and none of that fun stuff like sexual tension would be there and it would be kind of dull.
I like reunion fics. I've read quite a lot of them. But after reading so many, honest to God, there are so many, you tend to notice a pattern. Rose, Doctor, meet, "I love you!" "I love you too!", kiss, happily ever after.
I know they're fanfiction and the whole point of fanfiction is to be able to write things like that, but you know, after the twentieth one, it sort of grinds on the nerves and you want something different. That's usually why I tend to look for older Doctor/Rose fanfics, written when Rose was never going to leave, cause you know. They were different. But that's not my point. I like reunion fics, but that's never going to happen.
If there are two people in the entire realm of television who cannot speak feelings to each other, I would put the Doctor and Rose together on a podium and award them the bloody gold. Because they wouldn't. The only reason Rose told the Doctor she loved him was because they were never going to see each other again and she just needed to let him know. I don't think she needed to hear it back, I rather dislike reading stories saying that she needed it, because she doesn't. I think that one of the things that was the most awful about that scene was the fact that they couldn't touch. Their hugs and gestures of reassurance was what made their relationship, and they couldn't even do that for their final goodbye.
There! Another digression. Back on topic now, please.
All right, fine.
Thank you.
The Doctor is one of the most emotionally adverse beings in the universe, and yet he was going to say it too, another testament that this was their absolute final moment. I don't like reading fics where they -- all right, that's such a lie, I'm not even going to finish that, I LOVE reading those fics, but what I'm trying to say is, I'd rather like to come across more fics where the Doctor and Rose take ages to finally admit their feelings again. If Rose did come back, travel with the Doctor, I get the feeling that they'd just go back to where they used to be. It's depressing, it's frustrating and it's annoying, but I think it's true. I don't think they had an established relationship, but you know, I love reading those too. No, I don't, actually, I don't like reading established relationship without something before it, because it makes me very very confused and makes the back of my head nag at me insistently. I prefer reading about all the different ways they could have gotten together, and most of those involve alien influences. It's corny, it's cheesy, but with the Doctor and Rose, it's possibly the only way it would work.
I could give you a thousand reasons why, the Doctor being the Doctor, Rose not being ready, both of them being nervous about where it would lead and you know, a plethora of things that the Doctor probably had a list under his bed which he'd take out to memorise each night.
Do you know, I completely forgot what this post was supposed to be about?
Rose returning! Me not happy! Right, yes.
THE MORE YOU KNOW.
So yes, the reunion would definitely not be that way, and it sort of makes me nervous. Because when Rose leaves, how will she leave? The only way I can think of that will make it as big as her initial disappearance is her death and I will simply just... flip out at that. Will she sacrifice herself? Put herself forward to save Donna? Get in a crossfire? Or just... leave again?
I'm not happy with any of these, if she left again, the only way I would accept that is if there was a gateway open for her to come back. That would be the only way. But I have this sickening feeling in my stomach that it's not true, and that if Rose is only destined to come back for only this Series and not in the future, the only way she'll be gone permanently is by dying. Because if she managed to get through, then that proves that she can and that we might see her again. If the writers don't want that, I mean, Steven obviously doesn't want that, I think we all gathered that much (I'M NOT A MOFFAT HATER, I SWEAR, I just think that it's rather obvious he doesn't really like Doctor/Rose), so I'm deathly afraid for Rose and her awesome.
And you know, while I'm digressing, I might as well admit this. I ship Doctor/Rose as a whole. Not just Ten/Rose or Nine/Rose, I ship the Doctor and Rose. I might have other slight ships like Four/Sarah Jane, Four/Romana, Five/Tegan, Five/Nyssa, Eight/Romana (Dude, they are awesome), Seven/Ace, Ten/Reinette (Yeah, bring on the hate, haters), Ten/River (actually, I don't really ship them, but I do like River a lot), Rose/Jack, Rose/Mickey, Rose/Ianto (WTF, LEAVE ME ALONE, IT WAS IN A FIC AND IT WAS GOOD), Rose/Reinette (Er... I can explain, I swear...), Master/Rose (Okay, I realise this is getting ridiculous), and etc, but to me, it's always been and always will be the Doctor and Rose in the end, and that is what I love about them.
I'll emphasise again. I ship the Doctor and Rose. Not just Nine and Ten. I really do dislike, despise and utterly loathe the classification of Nine or Ten with Rose. I understand it if they ship Nine/Rose and Ten with someone else, I understand it then, but not otherwise. It just sort of grinds on me... They're the same person, after all. Call it a pet peeve.
In the commentary, David comments (as is usually the tradition in commentaries) that he was asked by Julie Garner to redo the scene with the wall where the Doctor begins to cry. He and Billie then talk about how they cut it out because it didn't work, and that the Doctor isn't someone who cries.
He isn't. I don't remember a single episode in Old!Who where the Doctor cried. Really. I've seen a few, of course, I haven't seen a lot, but even in the massive load of summaries that I've read, I don't think I remember him being in a situation where he cries. Except perhaps for Adric, and I'm fairly sure he doesn't cry there either.
But he cries for Rose, and he seems, really, a lot more able to cry in the Series that follow her loss. He cried for the Master, even after he threw him into the Eye of Harmony without even getting a little cloudy eyed (that was the movie, but whatever, it was still the Master, albeit a horrible, American, oily, stupid, snake-eyed Master and not the awesomeness of Ainley or Delgado) and etc.
All of this, all of this was in Doomsday, and now it's sort of all ruined because here's Rose, coming in again. I'm a little miffed, but after Series 4, I'm actually rather excited. I feel like it will be very good, and I have hopes for and because of RTD's ability to write. He might have screwed me over with Last of the Time Lords, but he did give me Sound of Drums, Utopia, Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways, and Army of Ghosts/Doomsday. It's one out of seven. It's three more episodes until the end of Series 4, let's just hope our favourite blond stays in the game.
Okay, how was that for a rant, eh? Out of ten? What do you think? *laughs*
And here's a lovely screenshot that I absolutely love for some reason, just because it's very beautiful and sad.
I stole it from avoria's uber long D/R picspam, who in turn stole it from someone else, I think.
Also, David and Billie are incredibly sweet. I might have gotten cavities listening to them talk to each other.
Anyway, that was my rant. Good night my friends, I hope we will not be disappointed in three weeks.
While I love Rose, adore her with every fibre of my being, and not only because I ship the Doctor/Rose, because I think Rose is the most kick-awesomest thing since the word awesome was awesomely invented, I think I was one of the very few, the... very very few who heard that Rose was coming back and paused, scrunched up my face and said "Really?" in a very sceptical and not happy manner.
When I first heard that Rose was coming back, I really didn't know what to think about it. The initial reaction was of course "OH, MY GOD, ROSE IS COMING BACK, THERE IS JOY IN THE STREETS, MEN, CALL TO ARMS!" but after that first massive tsunami of jubilation faded into the distance and left my innards in a wreckage of excitement, I began to think.
I really didn't want Rose coming back. I suppose that somehow makes me a horrible and undeniably heinous person, but I think I have some reasoning behind this. Because then what was the point of Doomsday? Rose's return really renders that episode mostly moot, especially the ending scene, especially that and that makes me sad, because that scene was what made the episode strikingly beautiful. Without it, Doomsday would have just been any other episode, just any other series finale, but it wasn't and that was what I loved about it. It was the Doctor and Rose saying goodbye to each other, never to see each other again. That was what made that scene so unbearably heartbreaking, because you knew that this was it. This was all. The Doctor and Rose reign had ended, and we had to move on.
Some people went into denial for a while (I know I did), most of the fandom retaliated with the introduction of Martha... I admit that I really did sort of leave Doctor Who halfway through Series 3 and went to catch up on Stargate Atlantis again because it really did get that bad. Hate wars started between Doctor/Rose shippers and Doctor/Martha shippers and I honestly couldn't stand it. That's not what fandom's about. There's still a lot of that now, but I find it easier to pretend they're not there, because this Series has been absolutely lovely. Series 3, while having some fantastic episodes, will never, ever be considered to be a favourite of mine, unfortunately.
Digressing here, sorry. Hmm. Where was I. Oh yes.
I wasn't excited about Rose coming back. With all my heart, I really hoped it wasn't true. Because after such a tissue wasting end to their relationship, a return seemed to null that episode quite a bit. But it's more than that, really, because if I look at it realistically, the writers are definitely not going to give us our happily ever after. That's not how television works, especially if this show has still got thirty or so years left of life in it. The main characters aren't allowed to have a happily ever after until the end, it's sort of a rule. It's a good rule, because then that would be jumping the shark and none of that fun stuff like sexual tension would be there and it would be kind of dull.
I like reunion fics. I've read quite a lot of them. But after reading so many, honest to God, there are so many, you tend to notice a pattern. Rose, Doctor, meet, "I love you!" "I love you too!", kiss, happily ever after.
I know they're fanfiction and the whole point of fanfiction is to be able to write things like that, but you know, after the twentieth one, it sort of grinds on the nerves and you want something different. That's usually why I tend to look for older Doctor/Rose fanfics, written when Rose was never going to leave, cause you know. They were different. But that's not my point. I like reunion fics, but that's never going to happen.
If there are two people in the entire realm of television who cannot speak feelings to each other, I would put the Doctor and Rose together on a podium and award them the bloody gold. Because they wouldn't. The only reason Rose told the Doctor she loved him was because they were never going to see each other again and she just needed to let him know. I don't think she needed to hear it back, I rather dislike reading stories saying that she needed it, because she doesn't. I think that one of the things that was the most awful about that scene was the fact that they couldn't touch. Their hugs and gestures of reassurance was what made their relationship, and they couldn't even do that for their final goodbye.
There! Another digression. Back on topic now, please.
All right, fine.
Thank you.
The Doctor is one of the most emotionally adverse beings in the universe, and yet he was going to say it too, another testament that this was their absolute final moment. I don't like reading fics where they -- all right, that's such a lie, I'm not even going to finish that, I LOVE reading those fics, but what I'm trying to say is, I'd rather like to come across more fics where the Doctor and Rose take ages to finally admit their feelings again. If Rose did come back, travel with the Doctor, I get the feeling that they'd just go back to where they used to be. It's depressing, it's frustrating and it's annoying, but I think it's true. I don't think they had an established relationship, but you know, I love reading those too. No, I don't, actually, I don't like reading established relationship without something before it, because it makes me very very confused and makes the back of my head nag at me insistently. I prefer reading about all the different ways they could have gotten together, and most of those involve alien influences. It's corny, it's cheesy, but with the Doctor and Rose, it's possibly the only way it would work.
I could give you a thousand reasons why, the Doctor being the Doctor, Rose not being ready, both of them being nervous about where it would lead and you know, a plethora of things that the Doctor probably had a list under his bed which he'd take out to memorise each night.
Do you know, I completely forgot what this post was supposed to be about?
Rose returning! Me not happy! Right, yes.
THE MORE YOU KNOW.
So yes, the reunion would definitely not be that way, and it sort of makes me nervous. Because when Rose leaves, how will she leave? The only way I can think of that will make it as big as her initial disappearance is her death and I will simply just... flip out at that. Will she sacrifice herself? Put herself forward to save Donna? Get in a crossfire? Or just... leave again?
I'm not happy with any of these, if she left again, the only way I would accept that is if there was a gateway open for her to come back. That would be the only way. But I have this sickening feeling in my stomach that it's not true, and that if Rose is only destined to come back for only this Series and not in the future, the only way she'll be gone permanently is by dying. Because if she managed to get through, then that proves that she can and that we might see her again. If the writers don't want that, I mean, Steven obviously doesn't want that, I think we all gathered that much (I'M NOT A MOFFAT HATER, I SWEAR, I just think that it's rather obvious he doesn't really like Doctor/Rose), so I'm deathly afraid for Rose and her awesome.
And you know, while I'm digressing, I might as well admit this. I ship Doctor/Rose as a whole. Not just Ten/Rose or Nine/Rose, I ship the Doctor and Rose. I might have other slight ships like Four/Sarah Jane, Four/Romana, Five/Tegan, Five/Nyssa, Eight/Romana (Dude, they are awesome), Seven/Ace, Ten/Reinette (Yeah, bring on the hate, haters), Ten/River (actually, I don't really ship them, but I do like River a lot), Rose/Jack, Rose/Mickey, Rose/Ianto (WTF, LEAVE ME ALONE, IT WAS IN A FIC AND IT WAS GOOD), Rose/Reinette (Er... I can explain, I swear...), Master/Rose (Okay, I realise this is getting ridiculous), and etc, but to me, it's always been and always will be the Doctor and Rose in the end, and that is what I love about them.
I'll emphasise again. I ship the Doctor and Rose. Not just Nine and Ten. I really do dislike, despise and utterly loathe the classification of Nine or Ten with Rose. I understand it if they ship Nine/Rose and Ten with someone else, I understand it then, but not otherwise. It just sort of grinds on me... They're the same person, after all. Call it a pet peeve.
In the commentary, David comments (as is usually the tradition in commentaries) that he was asked by Julie Garner to redo the scene with the wall where the Doctor begins to cry. He and Billie then talk about how they cut it out because it didn't work, and that the Doctor isn't someone who cries.
He isn't. I don't remember a single episode in Old!Who where the Doctor cried. Really. I've seen a few, of course, I haven't seen a lot, but even in the massive load of summaries that I've read, I don't think I remember him being in a situation where he cries. Except perhaps for Adric, and I'm fairly sure he doesn't cry there either.
But he cries for Rose, and he seems, really, a lot more able to cry in the Series that follow her loss. He cried for the Master, even after he threw him into the Eye of Harmony without even getting a little cloudy eyed (that was the movie, but whatever, it was still the Master, albeit a horrible, American, oily, stupid, snake-eyed Master and not the awesomeness of Ainley or Delgado) and etc.
All of this, all of this was in Doomsday, and now it's sort of all ruined because here's Rose, coming in again. I'm a little miffed, but after Series 4, I'm actually rather excited. I feel like it will be very good, and I have hopes for and because of RTD's ability to write. He might have screwed me over with Last of the Time Lords, but he did give me Sound of Drums, Utopia, Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways, and Army of Ghosts/Doomsday. It's one out of seven. It's three more episodes until the end of Series 4, let's just hope our favourite blond stays in the game.
Okay, how was that for a rant, eh? Out of ten? What do you think? *laughs*
And here's a lovely screenshot that I absolutely love for some reason, just because it's very beautiful and sad.
I stole it from avoria's uber long D/R picspam, who in turn stole it from someone else, I think.
Also, David and Billie are incredibly sweet. I might have gotten cavities listening to them talk to each other.
Anyway, that was my rant. Good night my friends, I hope we will not be disappointed in three weeks.