Why Sorato doesn't work, shouldn't of happened, & is bad clumsy writing-period...Part 3

Nov 28, 2011 14:00

You can read part 2 here...

One last crazy Sorato "proof" and why it works from someone I've seen post this on Youtube...it's so lulzy XD

Ok...so you remember Myotismon arc...Tai leaves to go save Mimi and the other kids from where Myotismon has them trapped...he tells Sora to go meet up with Matt who is protecting Kari and keeping her out of sight for Tai.  Phantomon sees Sora and Tai split up and follows Sora.
Fight breaks out, as Phantomon brings a few lackeys...Sora and Matt, as well as their digimon try their best, but it looks hopeless, and Kari gets eventually captured willingly so Phantomon won't kill Matt or Sora.  Alright....here is what this fun little Sorato fan said.
(Paraphrasing here because the video this was on was deleted)

"When Phantomon attacks Matt and nearly strangles him with his chain, notice how in that moment seeing Matt in danger, Sora's Crest of "Love" activates, and Birdramon digivolves to help save him."

Wow...just WOW! XD This is just too hilarious.

So everytime Sora's crest glows, it means she's feeling romantic feelings for whoever she's saving or whatever...didn't she have Birdramon digivolve to save that plane FILLED with people on it? One of those people being young Cody?
Sora you hoe, you romantically love ALL those strangers?!?!

Also...what was it Sora first said when her crest activated for the first time when Myotismon was trashing Birdramon, what did Sora say?
Sora: (Crying) BIRDRAMON I LOVE YOU! (crest activates)Ummm...Beastiality???

And didn't the debree at Highton View Terrace from a falling bridge nearly crush her and Tai to death? Birdramon digivolves to save them both...ummm so Taiora proof too????

Not to mention the other countless times Birdramon digivolved to save/battle/whoever when Sora's crest activates....
I repeat...Sora you hoe :P lol

Crest activating first off, doesn't mean she feels "LOVE" every single time (second Love can mean anything, family love, romantic love, platonic love, etc.) No, she already activated her crest the first time when she thought she was going to loose her partner Biyomon, who is sort of like a daughter/little sister figure to her, and her best friend/digimon companion.  That was the feeling of love it took to activate it the first time.
These crests are their POWER.  The power that these kids alone uniquely hold.  They don't have to feel the emotion of their crest every single time to make it work (because if that's the case how the heck does Kari feel "Light"???)
They just need to feel it or at least embrace it right at the time it activates to awaken it, as well as there be some sort of danger in the situation to sort of highten the desperation and NEED for that power.
But now that the kid learns how to activate said power, they already know how to do it, the power is a part of them and who they are, it becomes second nature to them and their digimon to have them digivolve to Ultimate (and later Mega in Matt and Tai's case).  After all the last episode showcased this when Apoclaymon destroyed their crests...the power was a part of them all along, the crests just sort of brought it out...like a catalyst.  But the kids don't need them eventually or the "feeling" or "attribute" of the crest EVERY SINGLE DANG TIME they do it.  It's like walking or chewing your food.  As a baby you had to learn how to do these things...now? Do you REALLY need to think HARD about how to chew food and walk?  I'm pretty sure it becomes second nature...as is tapping into the power of these crests.
None of those moments truly MEAN ZOMG LOVE after it was first activated.  But thanks for the lulzy proof, I'm always up for a good laugh XD

Anyways...to continue.

Now we're looking at the context of Sorato vs Taiora.

Now many people from camp Sorato have stated to me that Taiora was purely a dub invention...

Is there truth to this?

No...no there isn't.

I've watched both the Japanese with sub, and the English dub, for Adventure and some of 02.  (I'm about a 2/3rd's of the way through with 02 in Japanese atm)

And I can tell you, all the Taiora hints have ALWAYS been there.  The dub just did something similar with them (Taiora) that the English dub of Pokemon did with AshxMisty.  The hints have always been there...the dubs just made it far more noticeable and obvious.  But the hints have ALWAYS been there.

And again, just like I stated in part 2, the writers seemed to not always agree on the same things, just as I showed you that picture from Revenge of Diaboromon movie, someone gave me a link to another image from the same movie.  (The same movie that mind you goes out of its way to point out Matt and Sora are dating yet threw in small subtle TaixSora hints here and there while Matt and Sora never really exchanged 2 words...)



.....Matt is down below with Izzy and Joe, and yet Sora is sitting up there next to Tai?  Again...why is that, you'd think she'd be by her boyfriend, wouldn't you?

Tai and Sora have been long established to have a close relationship.  It's been long hinted that Tai has romantic feelings for her.  And it's even been hinted (before 02 came along with it's train wreck in forced pairings) that Sora receprocates these romantic feelings for Tai.  The Digimon Movie (or the second part which was it's own movie in Japan- "Our War Game") shows us these hints.

They were having a silly fight over the course of the movie about a hairpin he got her for her birthday, and he tries to send her a message to apologize about the fight, she gets it in the end...then sends this message back along with a picture at the movie's credits.





Notice, she apologizes too, and she sends a picture to Tai(chi), showing her wearing the hair pin he got her with a smile on her face.  This by the way, wasn't in the English dub movie...considering how hard they ship Taiora, you'd be surprised right...well my guess is they cut it for time or something, plus they tied 3 movies together into one...so it probably didn't fit within the contents of the credits concerning it being a 3 part movie.  Anyways...THIS was a creation of Japan!  THIS movie is canon!  Only the first two digimon movies are canon!  So while Revenge of Diaboromon had fillerish Taiora hints thrown at us because obviously the writers don't seem to agree on pairings....THIS MOVIE is canon!  Our War Game is canon!  So not only the battle on the net, but this little Taiora subplot is CANON!  So people...point 1 for it not being a dub creation!

(Also another point for switching to Sorato is confusing, illogical, shallow, and dumb...specially with the context of this canon moment).

Also...not something the dub added in, Sora gets kidnapped by Datamon or whatever his name was (forgot his name) in the Etemon arc.  Tai, not Matt, TAI goes in to rescue her.  Tai makes a point to state that Sora is an important person, to him!  There is an electric fence, while the dub and the original state different theories, both pretty much have the exact same conclusion...if the kids die in the digital world-it's death...for real.  Tai shows hesitation passing for fear of his life.  Agumon states that he'll go through, being Tai's partner and a digimon, it wouldn't be as permanently life threatening for him as it would for Tai (that and it's his job to protect his human partner).  Tai stops him, stating that he's going to go through the fence first...why?  The line from the dub and the original...both state very clear why Tai is there, and what Sora is to him.

(Episode 20 in Digimon Adventure)
Sub
Taichi: There's something very precious to me on the other side of this wall.
Agumon: Sora?
Taichi: Yeah.

In the dub Tai mentions this line, "There comes a time a man must face himself before he has to face his enemies." instead...So the dub was being more subtle at this part concerning Taiora while the Japanese was being FAR MORE OBVIOUS about it.

But basically Tai was saying to Agumon in the dub (it was mind you just hinted at) that Tai has to be brave and face his fears other wise not only will he not just forefit his life, but lose Sora too.  Tai felt he had to grow up from being a child to a man, and rescue her, conquering not just the enemies that take her, but his fears that prevent himself from reaching her.
In other words, further proof that Taiora isn't JUST a dub fabrication...meerly just a dub expansion...Sure it inserts cracks and jokes, but it was probably one of the most faithful kid's anime dubs from the 90s back in the day.  When moods of scenes, specially serious ones, were meant to be there, the dub never shies itself away from that.

But yeah, Taiora seems sometimes more obvious in the Japanese...I mean sure, the dub does insert lines that makes it more obvious.

"I'd never let anything happen to you!"-Tai
"You really mean it?"-Sora

*cough*....but the dub seems to go for subtle some moments and obvious in the others...but in no way was it a dub fabrication.

Also, Digimon isn't like other anime, where it had a specific manga that came before it, directly linking to the series.   Digimon first and foremost was a spear counterpart to Tamagotchi.  There was indeed a manga, but the only character in the first Manga was Tai...none of the other characters appear.  No...the creators of the Digimon toys (the Tomagotchi-like toys)...wanted a completely unique anime, a very SHORT anime (like 12 or so episodes) created to basically be a marketing ad to sell these toys in Japan.  The series obviously done so well, so the anime lived past the Devimon arc....spawning into many many many seasons.  But my point is...the series, this anime-Digimon Adventure-was it's own creation.  The characters and the plot, the development, and the bonds and relationships were all unique.  It's not like Bleach, Naruto, or One Piece, where it had a manga that came before it.  So unlike certain voice actors (one in particular I'm looking at) who just pander to the fanbase and say there for one shipping couple only to state they are now for another ship (obviously he just doesn't want to lose fans-he doesn't care about ANY SHIP at all imo *rolls eyes*) without even reading or researching the source material (I.E. the manga) to get a true understanding of characters and relationships....The digimon voice actors had JUST this anime to go by, since it was pretty much the first of it's kind, with a digital pet toy, and a manga that only had Tai in it...they didn't have ANYTHING to go by but the anime itself.

So unlike other certain voice actors...They're words ACTUALLY hold a grain of salt.

Yamato aka Matt, his Japanese voice actor was actually kinda surprised about Sora and Matt's marriage...as well as the way the series ended (I.E. The infamous Epilogue).  Gabumon's own Japanese voice actor seemed to be encouraged that Tai and Sora should of been the end game ship.  (Yuuto Kazama-Yamato "Matt" Ishida & Mayumi Yamaguchi-Gabumon)

Mayumi: Yeah, I was deeply moved, too. But then we were chosen to show up in “02″ next, and by the time “02″ was done, it felt like we’d really done enough.
Yuuto: And it ends with them all being adults.
Mayumi: That part surprised me.
Yuuto: What I kept thinking most was, if it was such a good idea to have shown so much of the future, and all the way up to the part where he’d married to Sora. (laughs)
Mayumi: As well as a lot of other things… (laughs)

So...in other words they question if it was such a good idea at all...hmmm...Also, Gabumon's thoughts on the Sorato marriage and Taiora...

Mayumi: Honestly, Sora! If you’d spent just a few minutes to ask [Gabumon] for advice, I would have said, “Sora, don’t do this to yourself. It’s Taichi you should go for.” (laughs)

That speaks for itself...

Words from Yuko Mizutani (Sora's Japanese VA) & Ai Maeda (Mimi's Japanese VA) on the subject.  They seemed to express confusion at Sora's choice in men, and thought she'd go for Tai...hmmm....

Ai: But Sora-san seemed to be involved in a love triangle at some point. And in the end, with Yamato…
Yuko: Oh, yeah! That’s right!
Ai: I was so sure she’d be with Taichi in the end… I loved the ending in the movie, when she put on the hairpin that he’d given her.
Yuko:  “In the end, she chose looks!” you mean? (laughs) I remember now, the two of them married in the end.

What is really interesting about this...Sora's Japanese VA won't be the last to state she thinks that Matt and Sora was only put together because of "looks" or that she "chose looks"...in fact...

"I agree that there was a romantic interest in Tai and I was surprised that she wound up dating Matt.  Maybe she was trying to make Tai jealous.  I guess you'd have to consult the writers on that one.  It's a pretty typical scenario, though.  So many shows make you wait for the romantic payoff you're hoping for.  Sexual tension makes things interesting."- Colleen O'Shaughnesse-Sora's English VA.Both seem to agree that the writers did this for "sexual" reasons, whether looks or tension...I found that interesting that both Sora's came to this conclusion. That Sorato was formed for shallow reasons...and I honestly wouldn't be surprised the way it was forced on us.

Never once was Matt or Sora hinted in the first season to have romantic interest.  02 just forced it out of nowhere on us, and from a writing standpoint, that is one of the worst things you can do with Romance.  There are two things in story that don't work as a plot twist.  Character Development...and Romance.  Character development always has to be shown.  We have to see the growth (or even the decline) in a character, for their future choices and actions to be believed.

If a character, for example...say Kari, all of a sudden decided she hated her life, dressed in black and slit her wrists...would make NO SENSE.
If a character like Davis for example all of a sudden started to get A's in all his classes and decided he was going to be a scholar and started formlating all of the plans for ever future encouter with enemies that he had calculated to the last decimal point...NO SENSE!!!

Characters are established, then you can kinda guess where they logically might go, positive or negative...but the show-SHOWS you how they get from point A to Point L.  If they just skipped all of B-K, you'd be understandably confused.
That's the reason why Matt being more mellow in 02 is believeable.  Because we saw him slowly over time grow from this cold, overprotective, argumentative, lone wolf act, jealous of Tai, not so quick to open up or trust guy...into a character that learned to express his feelings, trust other people, give TK some space, get over his jealousy with Tai and even respect him, loyal friend, and forgiving of his mother-having a decent relationship with his family again.  He's not quick to snap and he's always there for everyone.

That was believeable that he became that guy, we watched that growth.  Same with all the other kids in Adventure, the people they became was believeable because we watched them grow that way.

Romance is the same.  It has to be developed to be believed.  Just like with a character's choices and actions, we're not going to take anything at face value if you just throw it at us and claim it was all developed "Off screen".  SHOW DON'T TELL!!!

Like I've already stated, if a show like Digimon, has the time to develop all these great characters, story arcs, and friendships, as well as family relationships and rivalries...as well as have awesome monster fighting action...but it has NO TIME to develop romance (I don't believe you because it totally has time for everything else that you squeezed in so you have no excuse), then if it isn't important enough to show it, it's not important enough to be there.  It has NO business being there.

In all honesty it would of been better for the series to end with NO PAIRINGS and NO EPILOGUE, fans could easily draw their own conclusion...and anything is up to interpretation that way, so everybody wins...but also the writers won't have the hasstle to deal with pairings...it makes things simplier and much less of the forced mess we had to deal with.

However that being said, Taiora was believeable.  It was hinted at and set up.  Sorato wasn't.  When hints are present in BOTH the Japanese and the Dub...whether it's canon or filler, whether Sora was still in her forced relationship with Matt-time was still made to throw Taiora a bone, and whether or not its voice actors were from Japan or one of our very own English dub actors...

Taiora was plain to see for everyone.  So Sorato, plain and simple was bad writing and never should of happened in the first place.  It had no business being there when Tai and Sora have already been established and very STRONGLY hinted at when Matt and Sora was NEVER hinted at.

It's not a dub fabrication...the voice actors themselves all saw it and find Sorato baffling.  And it seemed some of the writers in 02 still wanted it despite whoever was in charge and axed that obvious relationship hinting Turkey that was Taiora.  Instead shoving a never been cooked Turkey that was Sorato-down our throats...

Taiora has always been hinted at that it was there and that it was growing.  Everyone saw it...when you try to downplay it, you're pretty much lying to yourselves, claiming that the voice actors are all either idiots or liars, that the entire world that shipped this are either idiots or liars, that the dub is lying (which it wasn't, it does prove however you didn't watch the original japanese episodes if you think they fabricated it), and that even if Tai and Sora were just friends somehow this makes Sorato automatically better.

Ummmm....no.

Disproving one pairing doesn't hold up a candle for the other pairing....now if you were to compare and contrast...that's different.  And if the only proof a pairing has (other than crazy "proofs") is to disprove something else, than that pairing doesn't have very strong pillars to hold up its weight.  Paper thin...you rely on actual proven facts.  Like interactions, words the characters have said about each other, how they develop together, how much they have shown they've meant to each other, how they treat each other, and finally...what others think about them.  (whether this is in universe, or outer universe like the fans and voice actors).

Taiora is incredibly popular for a reason, obviously people saw it.  The voice actors saw it.  It's been strongly hinted at for some time, Sub or Dub, it was always there.

Sorato...wasn't.

That's just how it is.  Now again, I'm not saying anyone should never ever ever ship Sorato...everyone has their own opinion.

If you like it, that's fine, go ahead, you are free to support and love your ships.  If you think it's dueable...good for you.

I'm however stating that, I don't see it as dueable, and that from my prespective and expierence, pairings like this make no sense-wouldn't work out-and aren't compatible-have no spark or chemistry.

While my dislike for Sorato is my opinion...I'm afraid it's FACT the way they handled it was bad writing!  As I said, Romance should NEVER be developed off screen and just thrown at you last minute. It's just not done...

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