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maxxtx

Politics ala Matthew 01

Sep 22, 2009 19:04

First, I want to make a statement then I will explain it. If the Democratic Party wants to virtually assure themselves of holding the White House in 2012, the smartest thing they can do is fund and support the “Tea Party ( Read more... )

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myskat September 23 2009, 02:31:48 UTC

I understand all of it except what a tea party is? Am I being dense?

maxxtx September 23 2009, 02:36:20 UTC

http://teapartyexpress.org/

A new Fiscally Conservative political group that is looking to expand. They claim to be simply based on Taxes, but they pander to the far right wing fringe groups like the birthers, the ones who claim Obama is a muslim and the racists.

myskat September 23 2009, 03:04:58 UTC

lol that was crucial! Thank you!

moonsinger September 23 2009, 15:27:59 UTC

You could be correct on your premise, but I'm not sure that you are. I would disagree with the statement that Obama is a 3; he placed himself as a moderate Democrat, but his policies don't seem to be that moderate to me.

It isn't surprising that a lot of people don't vote though. I wasn't satisfied with either candidate; I picked the one I disagreed with less. I'm sure that will be the case again in 2012.

Right now though I'm more worried that Perry will get re-elected as governor. His property tax stuff is bs!

maxxtx September 23 2009, 16:12:34 UTC

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/11/navarrette.obama/index.html

Obama is not considered Liberal enough by the "Left". You see him as too liberal because you are looking from the right. I'd say you easily fall into the 4th segment with leanings towards the 5th. David is a solid 5th leaning to the 6th at times.

The practice of encouraging a far Left/Right wing candidate to run opposite your opponent is actually fairly old and usually rather effective. If nothing else you cut their lead down.

And Perry hasn't done anything I haven't seen as BS, yet. In my opinion he is responsible for the death of an innocent man, as he refused to even review the case of Todd Willingham, despite having proof that the fire he was accused of setting to murder his kids wasn't arson.

dbroussa September 23 2009, 20:19:25 UTC

President Obama in the Senate was ranked 16th, 10th, and 1st (avg is 9) in the Liberal rating by National Journal. Vice-President Biden was ranked 3rd, 24th, and 19th (avg 15). I would say that if either Vice-President Biden or President Obama was in the 1 or 2 section it would be President Obama as opposed to Vice-President Biden.

So, while the 1's might consider President Obama too conservative, compared to the rest of country he is pretty far to the left.

maxxtx September 23 2009, 22:32:23 UTC

I'd be very interested in how they determine what the liberal or conservative bent of a bill is. In 2007 Clinton and Obama voted in the same 63 votes, they disagreed on one. Obama was listed as #1, Clinton as #16, big gap for a single bill, wouldn't you say?

Also, Kerry managed to suddenly jump from moderate to the #1 liberal in 2003 with no notable change in his stance. However, both times the GOP was able to jump on and use that ranking as a attack platform. Coincidence? Possibly. Candidates pandering to their party? Possibly. Twain's definition of Statistics? Just as possible.

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dbroussa September 23 2009, 20:56:04 UTC

Just as an aside, you do realize that Mussolini invented National Socialism (Fascism). It is kind of hard to say that he didn't run Italy as a "true" fascist state when it was the first fascist state ever. That being said, National Socialism shares much more in common with International Socialism (communism) and what we now call Socialism (which is really National Socialism without the fascist tag). All three are far LEFT political ideologies. A Far RIGHT ideology would be one that espouses complete open markets, laissez-faire regulations, and very small government. Of course that is just the economic spectrum we are talking about ( ... )

maxxtx September 23 2009, 22:16:38 UTC

Socialism was actually an economic ideal that was created by Karl Marx, describing it as a halfway point between Capitalism and Communism. It is, by definition, a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole. Communism, by comparison is a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state ( ... )

maxxtx September 23 2009, 22:24:47 UTC

My score, btw, which is different than the last time I took it and will likely be different in a few years.

Economic score: -3.48
Social score: -3.65

Your score pegs you as economically moderately leftist and socially moderately libertarian.

Moderate economic leftists generally support regulation of free trade and business to assure that workers are fairly treated and prices remain stable.

Moderate social libertarians generally favour a hands-off approach to social legislation. They may believe that the government has no right to enforce morals, but may support certain controls on individual rights to avoid crime, drug use, or similar social ills.

moonsinger September 23 2009, 23:58:03 UTC

Oh, I took the test, too. I've varied on being on tick over on the liberal side, to this score here. Couldn't get it to provide code for some reason. That would make me a 4 close to middle and not a 5 ( ... )