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mcatzilut

1977: The Sex Pistols - Never Mind the Bullocks

Mar 16, 2007 01:17

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new year's resolution, music, 1970s

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stertay March 16 2007, 06:17:50 UTC

A weird thing happened--punk became a particular style of music. The Ramones are the original model, and then the music traveled on through thrash, hardcore, and modern pop-punk. I'm not able to describe it exactly, but it involves lots of choppy fast chords, little or no soloing, and those abrupt endings. It's a catchy kind of music, but it is just a style, like Stonesy blues-rock, arty prog rock, and so on. It doesn't, in itself, mean anything ( ... )

the ramones? are you kidding? stertay March 17 2007, 00:00:36 UTC

the ramones were about as punk as barbra streisand or elvis, just one big load of catchy mainstream pop songs (ala buddy holly) that weren't the least bit punk at all. yes, the ramones had talent, but no way in hell were they ever a punk band in the true sense of the word.

the sex pistols were nothing but a crappy boy band of POSEURS with no talent and a ton of hype, it's all the well-engineered hype that made them famous, nothing more. malcolm mc shithead's gigantic cash cow which he is still milking 30 years later due to the gullibility of the stupid public.

REAL PUNK came from bands (the early pioneers) like The Clash, Buzzcocks, X-Ray Spex,
Generation X, The Dead Boys, Rezillos, The Germs, Dickies, Misfits, Saints, etc... etc.

how the HELL can anyone claim the ramones were PUNK?
why are the crappy poseur sex pistols thought of as gods?

please learn the difference between hype and talent before you speak so foolishly.

Re: the ramones? are you kidding? stertay March 17 2007, 05:12:31 UTC

No, I'm not kidding. It appears you need a history lesson. In 1976, the Ramones toured the UK briefly. Their July 4 performance at the Roundhouse in London is the SOURCE of British punk. The artists who would soon be the first wave British punk musicians were in attendance, and the Ramones hit them like a punch to the jaw. Without the Ramones, their would be NO British punk.

And if you believe Malcolm McLaren's pathetic claims to having "invented" the Sex Pistols, I've got some beachfront property in Arizona to show you.

Now as to your list. Well, it seems to me that a list that includes Generation X is a problem. Generation X? GENERATION X??? BILLY IDOL!?!?!

Dear God.

Re: the ramones? are you kidding? stertay March 18 2007, 05:23:47 UTC

yes, the ramones were there in 1976, however you apparently have a very poor fund of knowledge. i suggest you read or watch some punk documentaries from the mid 70's/early 80's (when you were no doubt still in diapers) so that you can glean some knowledge and won't further expose yourself as a complete fool.

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slvrraven March 16 2007, 07:14:35 UTC

i just have to say- this post is gonna cause a lot of comment to be written in all caps.
i for one would like to point out that this is going to cause a few headaches starting with mine. arg.

and 'get real?' wtf is that?
i just poked you mord, you are real- and that yelling/caps=headache, totally real.

mcatzilut March 16 2007, 07:23:50 UTC

It was just one line in CAPs, hun. And just for affect. Sorry if it gives you a headache.

slvrraven March 16 2007, 07:29:45 UTC

i was referring to mr. get real up there.

noreenewyji July 11 2008, 01:05:37 UTC

June PM Memet said: Hi, nice article, I would like to point a few things out. Just for a balance in perspective.

blue_russian March 16 2007, 10:26:22 UTC

The idea that someone would say the Sex Pistols aren't punk, particularly people who may not have even been born then, is just laughable. I wouldn't even have thought to comment on it.

jeff_worrell March 16 2007, 18:11:28 UTC

*stirring*
Quite so. Moreover, the idea that someone would say The Clash ARE punk is equally laughable.
[/stirring]

*runs away*

stertay March 16 2007, 20:56:49 UTC

I know we're going off subject, but the Clash did IMO record some pure punk songs on their first album or two. Case in point -- White Riot, London's Burning, maybe even Safe European Home. From London Calling on,however, some great music, but not really punk, even by the attitude standards I rambled on about above.

blue_russian March 17 2008, 19:19:10 UTC

WTF?! the clash were punks seriously, they were about as punk as you can get without being a retarded anarchist or nihilist, also, to any of you who think you are punks, none of you are NONE, as you are talking to people on a blog, which is completelty anti-punk.

What the Sex Pistols accomplished koganbot March 16 2007, 19:32:22 UTC

Greil Marcus was entirely right in saying that the Sex Pistols broke the story of rock 'n' roll in half. I'd say the breakage was two breakages, actually: (1) created a before and after, and (2) created an Us vs. Them (punks vs. everyone else). And then Greil was unable at book length to say what it was about the Sex Pistols that caused the break. I'm not sure I could say, either. But the long-run result of the break wasn't necessarily very good, for music overall or for punk. Which is to say that the breakage split punk off from pop for a while, whereas the pre-Pistol protopunks actually had embraced a whole hunk of pop. They were the poptimists of their time (sort of). (I'll elaborate on these thoughts some year.) Pistols were more like the last great punk band; but right, if Rancid and the Clash (I like 'em both, by the way) are one's archetype for punk, then the Pistols aren't very punk. But what's punk about Rancid and the Clash? Who'd ever fuck them up the ass? Who would they ever stab to death?

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