I was ostracized from a group of friends when a mutual friend killed himself. I very bluntly stated that I felt no pity for him because of his actions. They all turned against at me and never wanted to talk to me again. Couple of them offed themselves sometime afterward. More than anything, I'm glad they left me before they comitted suicide; helped me see what true people they were and that I was better off without them.
THANK YOU. Honestly, on the concept of suicide, I thought I was the only one that thought this way, the way you thought, you pretty much translated my standing into English! I just read someone ELSE'S journal arguing the point that suicide is whatever (on that same myspace kid).... urr. No username, but I'll paste what I read. I'm an open-minded person, and really, I REALLY tried to grasp what she was saying, but... it's just unjust. I'll italisize what she wrote... (or rather, cut it to a reply 'cause LJ won't let me @_@)
And I quote... Someone posted their suicide on MySpace, and an online reporter posted an article about it which sort of was snide and sarcastic. "He was emo, he killed himself over a girl
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i know those weren't your words, but i'm responding to them. because there's a bit in there i don't quite agree with, and i've got opinions coming out the ears, right now.
it's not so much the vengefulness that makes the sudical person selfish. it's the fact that they ignore the feelings of those they leave behind, as i've indicated, to pick up the pieces. that's what makes josh selfish.
granted, happiness only comes in small doses, in the same respect that sadness isn't permanent. that's life, -full- of ups and downs. knowing how to properly deal with it is the key. you CAN seek help. did josh seek help? even when he HINTED at suicide, he had notes and messages telling him not to do it. he had friends that cared. don't you dare tell me otherwise. he was obviously depressed for a reason, but did he stick it out long enough for a remedy [ whether it be physical, chemical or mental methods ] for the depression? no, and that's what made josh weak
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oh, and something else i missed. OMG, I'M REALLY BRIGHT, THIS AFTERNOON.
thing is, we know how hemophilia and diabetes work. we know that death can be the result of mishandling the two diseases. depression can also lead to death, too. that's not to say that everyone who gets depressed is going to up and kill themselves because of it. hell no.
the difference lies in self-affliction. you don't have the ability to control something like your blood, or your insulin levels, but in most circumstances, your life lies only in your hands. OF COURSE, we're going to think less of someone who decided to end it because "life is just too hard to deal with, ohnoes". this is something you DO have control over.
there is no cure for a lot of diseases out there, but there's treatment. the same can be said for depression. the key is in going out and getting help.
those who fail to do just that are those who fail to get my sympathy.
Omg, sorry. I didn't realize it was that long.... but... Yeah. (note these aren't MY views though, it just happened to be the complete opposite--something I read right before I conviently fell on your entry.
Suicide is just.. ugh. Ironically, when she says suicidal people aren't selfish... isn't depriving the ones that DO love you, even if you SO FEEL that no one does (I believe theres always someone that loves someone, ever.) selfish on its own? Do you not think of the GRIEF you'll cause them? It's almost as if it's like "Oh, I'll be dead, but I'm sure so-and-so wouldn't mind! She'd be happy for me!"
..sigh. frustrating. .. "emowned" was pretty funny tho--*bricked* Sorry for killing your journal. ; ;
hey, not a problem. i always enjoy other's points of view. it was a good attempt at trying to make me see how suicide is justifiable... but i just can't seem to grasp it.
selfish = intentionally being a burden to others, while suiting your own needs.
i really like how the arguement for it lacked a defense against consideration for the ones that these losers leave behind. it seemed to focus more on the "vengefulness" aspect of it, and that really isn't the case. a lot of kids don't kill themselves out of spite. it's because they're depressed, and they want it to stop, but just aren't aware of any other way to end it.
they become so concerned with ending it that they fail to put the lives of those around them into consideration. THAT is pure selfishness.
the true weakness lies in not attempting to get help. the guy had friends who wanted to help him, but i'm guessing that he ignored that.
Yeah... just so happens that she says, "You can't just "get over it" just like that, with a snap of the fingers. You can't just "decide to be happy". You can't just "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" or all the other idiotic platitudes people lay at your feet when you're depressed. It doesn't make you weak or lazy or lame if you can't. It makes you a person in need of assistance."
Well then, er... um...get help, don't kill yourself. x_x I can't understand where empathy comes from for suicide victims. You can only feel so when you're alive.
Sorry for dwelling. ^^;; I guess this is one of those things I just feel strongly about...
Suicide is only reserved for those who are really suffering (if they so choose it). People who suffer from terminal cancer, an illness that has turned them into a vegtable, etc.
This is why I hate the emo trend, some take it too far. Half of the kids in the emo trend have everything, they're bored rich white kids. HELL, WHERE HE'S LIVING is like.. the upper echelon. I know people who are worse off. Some people are weak, sadly, I count this as natural selection.
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I was ostracized from a group of friends when a mutual friend killed himself. I very bluntly stated that I felt no pity for him because of his actions. They all turned against at me and never wanted to talk to me again. Couple of them offed themselves sometime afterward. More than anything, I'm glad they left me before they comitted suicide; helped me see what true people they were and that I was better off without them.
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it's the ones who feel they can justify suicide that you REALLY need to watch out for.
-Meg
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Honestly, on the concept of suicide, I thought I was the only one that thought this way, the way you thought, you pretty much translated my standing into English! I just read someone ELSE'S journal arguing the point that suicide is whatever (on that same myspace kid).... urr. No username, but I'll paste what I read. I'm an open-minded person, and really, I REALLY tried to grasp what she was saying, but... it's just unjust. I'll italisize what she wrote... (or rather, cut it to a reply 'cause LJ won't let me @_@)
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Someone posted their suicide on MySpace, and an online reporter posted an article about it which sort of was snide and sarcastic. "He was emo, he killed himself over a girl ( ... )
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it's not so much the vengefulness that makes the sudical person selfish. it's the fact that they ignore the feelings of those they leave behind, as i've indicated, to pick up the pieces. that's what makes josh selfish.
granted, happiness only comes in small doses, in the same respect that sadness isn't permanent. that's life, -full- of ups and downs. knowing how to properly deal with it is the key. you CAN seek help. did josh seek help? even when he HINTED at suicide, he had notes and messages telling him not to do it. he had friends that cared. don't you dare tell me otherwise. he was obviously depressed for a reason, but did he stick it out long enough for a remedy [ whether it be physical, chemical or mental methods ] for the depression? no, and that's what made josh weak ( ... )
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thing is, we know how hemophilia and diabetes work. we know that death can be the result of mishandling the two diseases. depression can also lead to death, too. that's not to say that everyone who gets depressed is going to up and kill themselves because of it. hell no.
the difference lies in self-affliction. you don't have the ability to control something like your blood, or your insulin levels, but in most circumstances, your life lies only in your hands. OF COURSE, we're going to think less of someone who decided to end it because "life is just too hard to deal with, ohnoes". this is something you DO have control over.
there is no cure for a lot of diseases out there, but there's treatment. the same can be said for depression. the key is in going out and getting help.
those who fail to do just that are those who fail to get my sympathy.
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Yeah. (note these aren't MY views though, it just happened to be the complete opposite--something I read right before I conviently fell on your entry.
Suicide is just.. ugh. Ironically, when she says suicidal people aren't selfish... isn't depriving the ones that DO love you, even if you SO FEEL that no one does (I believe theres always someone that loves someone, ever.) selfish on its own? Do you not think of the GRIEF you'll cause them? It's almost as if it's like "Oh, I'll be dead, but I'm sure so-and-so wouldn't mind! She'd be happy for me!"
..sigh. frustrating. .. "emowned" was pretty funny tho--*bricked* Sorry for killing your journal. ; ;
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selfish = intentionally being a burden to others, while suiting your own needs.
i really like how the arguement for it lacked a defense against consideration for the ones that these losers leave behind. it seemed to focus more on the "vengefulness" aspect of it, and that really isn't the case. a lot of kids don't kill themselves out of spite. it's because they're depressed, and they want it to stop, but just aren't aware of any other way to end it.
they become so concerned with ending it that they fail to put the lives of those around them into consideration. THAT is pure selfishness.
the true weakness lies in not attempting to get help. the guy had friends who wanted to help him, but i'm guessing that he ignored that.
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Well then, er... um...get help, don't kill yourself. x_x I can't understand where empathy comes from for suicide victims. You can only feel so when you're alive.
Sorry for dwelling. ^^;; I guess this is one of those things I just feel strongly about...
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Not because you have emo fits every so often.
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Some people are weak, sadly, I count this as natural selection.
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