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[meglywegly]

Nothing like coming home, tired from studying till 1am at a coffee shop to find your roomates, both still up, and in the  middle of a discussion about women and the Bible.  How women are to act, how they were treated in the Old Testament, etc.  I finally gave up when it was strongly asserted by one roomate that it would be a sin for the women to

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[laurfindel]

i think that'd be pretty selfish of the man to expect the woman to give up any hopes dreams or aspirations she had for what she wanted to do with her life in order to raise his kids and cook him dinner.

and in this economy, a lot of families have to have both parents working in order to support themselves, and not because they're living out of their means but because LIFE IS EXPENSIVE. and a lot of less wealthy people don't have the luxury of a steady job that they can work for their whole lives with a comfortable retirement package assured.

just sayin.

this girl sounds very sheltered and out of touch with reality.

[meglywegly]

Yes, my friend just might be a bit sheltered. It is a VERY conservative Christian stance to have on the issue.

Our discussion of who she was voting for, for president turned into a small discussion on her views on abortion. With a "there is no negotiation attitude" in her tone and words, she said it was murder to have an abortion. I didn't even try to get into a discussion about that one, because I have been to science exhibits and seen proof of even the tiniest baby having legs or a head or body shape, and I have been told how even the tiniest organism or whatever the baby is when it is first concieved has cells and dna and such...so I wasn't about to start a discussion about women's rights and what happens when women are raped, etc.

I guess, if anything, I might be a bit jealous that she so clearly kwows where sthe stands on the issues, and can justify them with her beliefs...I am certainly not there yet.

[laurfindel]

don't be jealous. it doesn't sound like this girl is the type that has come to her beliefs after rationally considering both sides of the issue and conscious choice. she seems as though she has made these decisions because people have told her what she should think, and that's nothing to be proud of.

[randombabe12]

I'm gonna guess the roommate that thought that is probably the one that goes to Mars Hill, haha. I was at a sermon where that was brought up. I didn't necessarily agree completely with it but I can appreciate some of the arguments behind it. Basically, God has given men and women separate but equal gifts and blessings and the argument is that women naturally have that "maternal" instincts and such. Another argument is that if the dad is the one organizing all the play-dates and outings for the kids with all of the other mom's it could create temptation being the only man in the presence of some single mom's. I really don't have a super strong stance on it other than that I have always wanted to be a stay-at-home mom to raise my kids so as long as I get to do that I'll be happy. :-)

[meglywegly]

Yes, my roomate is from Mars Hill. Actually both of them go there, but one might still be "checking it out"...I am not entirely sure.

As for the arguments you mention: none of them were mentioned last night. Basically it was just asserted that a women needs to be at home, with the kids, as long as they are young, and that she should be responsible for raising the kids and teaching them values, etc. and that she can't be doing that while she is working all the time...because that leaves day care or nannies to teach the values...She basically thought that moms were being selfish if they decided to work while there kids were super young...

I don't want to sound preachy as you already want to stay at home and raise your kids...so perhaps I shall comment on Tyler's comments as well.

[laurfindel]

what is their opinion on women who choose not to have kids? or women who physically can't have kids? are those women no longer useful to society because they aren't procreating, or are they just not allowed to get married so they can be nannies for other people's children?

>< this roommate doesn't sound like someone i'd mesh well with, huh?

[meglywegly]

If a woman chooses not to have kids, I think it is fine if she works. I think the argument is just that a woman is best suited to raise her kids (until they get older) and that a nanny or child care worker shouldn't be the one doing it. And that with all the house work and other things to do around the house there is a lot for the wife to do besides chase around two or more kids. Also she thinks that a woman should support her husband by doing some of his laundry or cooking him dinner or stuff like that.

I must be quick to mention that I am speaking for my roomate...but I am pretty sure her main issue is that a mom needs to raise her kids and she might say that a women should still needs to support her husband...but I do think she feels women can work...they just should refrain from doing so when they have kiddos.

[meglywegly]

Did you mean my arugments, or Christies

[laurfindel]

i've seen some pretty poorly behaved kids with stay at home moms. it works both ways.

and as for having her call you a feminist, what's so bad about that? all that means is that you value yourself and other women as being valid and equal members of society.

fem⋅i⋅nism
-noun
1. the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men.
2. (sometimes initial capital letter) an organized movement for the attainment of such rights for women.

so now it's a bad thing to think that women deserve rights?

it was pretty much my dad that raised me. am i a damaged person according to this girl?

GAAAH. sorry i've gone comment crazy on this meg, but this girl's comments really pissed me off.

[meglywegly]

So apparently my comment reply to you was too long. And I lost the whole reply when they told me to shorten it. So yeah. Here I go again, but much shorter this time. I'll try some bullet points to make it shorter.

-my roomate does think it is ok for women to work when they don't have kids.

-she seems to (I am guessing here) want women to stay at home when they have kids so they are the ones raising them, because for her the kids come first and not a career and if you are having a career--it is likely taking presidence or priority over your kids and husband.

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