Pyrrhus for the Purists

[midnightranter]

For many liberals, the victory of Barack Obama was tainted by the victory of Proposition 8 in California. As many saw and know, Proposition 8 banned gay marriage after the California Supreme Court in May ruled all bans on gay marriage to be unconstitutional. The California court ruled that any bans on marriage between two adults are

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[doitalone]

I already know how to solve this problem so until someone listens to me, I refuse to comment except to say the whole thing is silly and is just people being pissed at each other for fun.

[angelari]

And how would you solve it?

[doitalone]

Loving v. Virginia.

Have a gay couple marry in one state that allows it (Mass or Vermont for example) and then move to Virginia.

The Supreme Court has already stated that:

"Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discrimination. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State."

Take out race, replace it with sexual orintation, and bam, the issue of gay marriage is decided.

No one is doing this though, which is why I'm tired of the whole argument.

[angelari]

I actually HAVE seen this argument made numerous times. The difficulty seems to be convincing nutjob Christians people that it IS a civil rights issue, not a moral issue. At it's simplest, refusing gay marriage is a violation of due process and denies equal protection under the law.

Hey midnightranter - what do you think about the possible success of an argument that denying gay marriage is discrimination on the basis of sex? (Namely, in order to be a "groom," one must be over eighteen, unmarried, and male.)

[anonymous]

Anti-man want get married..hehe

[anonymous]

It is extremely offensive that they want to compare themselves to colored people. Slavery is not the same as not being married. The fact is people don't chose what skin color they want to be born as but people do choose who they want to have sex with unless in the case of rape.

[midnightranter]

People also choose religion and we forbid discrimination on those grounds. And I can't tell, are you responding to yourself, are you the same person who was on above or are you someone totally new? Note, all of this is also your choice and I'm not discriminating based on you being anonymous.

[midnightranter]

Not all lesbians are anti-man, just as not all gay men are anti-women. My sister is a lesbian and she's not anti-man. Granted, she doesn't want anything romantic from them, but then, neither do I. So, I guess as an anti-man, I would like to get married someday.