Happiness and Bullshit

[midnitewriter]

Happy birthday, lakeguy!!!

I had toally forgotten about this bullshit until today. This shit really pisses me off. This morning, right on the front page, is this article:

Some groups offering gays opportunities for ''recovery''

Comments

[lilmikey1982]

Ahh, the topic of my documentary. :) I'll make a long comment, since I sort of 'delved' into this world of correction and changing

[midnitewriter]

I feel incredibly sad for these people. These "curing" programs remind me so much of Navigators and other campus "Christian" groups (I use quotes because I've met real Christians who don't pull the types of shenanigans I'm about to describe).

These groups seek out people who are lost and haven't found their identity yet. Instead of encouraging the lost to seek their own identity, they "fill" that person with a pre-stamped identity and then teach them to feel spectacular with this. It's like living your life as a robot.

raukomehtar had bad experiences with this at Penn State. His ex-bf had a friend (in Navigators) who finally went nuts, broke into the campus radio station, declared himself Jesus and started broadcasting. And his ex-bf self-destructed from the battle between his being gay and trying to accept it and the self-hating garbage fed to him by Navigators. In the end, he ended up lashing out violently. Luckily, he recovered and has sent Navigators packing, but not before people were hurt.

[lilmikey1982]

Yea, it's really sad that those people can get to it. Because, you know what, if we started going around doing that?!?! OH MY GOD, people would be up in arms!

THE GAYS ARE RECRUITING!! We would NEVER hear the end of it. But suddenly it's OK for them to be doing that? I don't THINK so. Grr.

[loatiloat]

Ran across you through luke2k's journal and found what little I can see interesting and added you as a friend.

As for this post, you don't really make it clear what you think of what happened with the sign. While I oppose ex-gay ministries, I do not think people should take their opposition out on a church by spray-painting the sign. That church had to pay to get it cleaned or buy a new one and that probably makes the congregation bitter and I think would further entrench anti-gay sentiment.

Plus the picture makes gays look like bad people in the paper it runs in.

[fathom8]

I will make this short and simple, if I was able to change I would...no amount of prayer is going to make me want to eat poontang pie...

[luke2k]

Obviously the whole ex-gay thing goes against what I believe in. However, I also think it's time for someone to acknowledge that men and women tend to think differently about these things. There really are "lesbians until graduation," who see their sexuality as something political, and there are people who talk about their sexuality as a matter of choice. But the kind of people who seek reparative therapy were probably born gay. I'm just saying that the response to these things should be based on the harm that they do to people, and not on the idea that being gay is ok simply because it can't be changed. The argument has got to be bold enough so that it holds up in the face of the fact that some people's sexual orientations do seem to change, for all sorts of reasons.

[batmoon]

Sigh. How do you think we feel?

Well, okay, I feel like firebombing the church, but I'm not that crazy.

Basically, this whole "choice" paradigm is a lame red herring. Of course there are choices! It basically comes down to choosing whether to hate oneself or not. It all starts there. There's really no talking to people who believe in a vengeful cruel god, though.

[cebastiankraine]

I saw this today in the paper. Totally retarded.

I'm sorry.... As soon as Brandon leaves the mind-numbing environment of his parents he'll suck dick again.

Simple as that. Hell, on any given night you can find a handful of guys at the club who have tried to fix themselves.

Whatever::L::

I will always enjoy shoving my dick into tight man ass. No amount of Christian juju will stop that::LOL::

[midnitewriter]

Well put! LOL

[sndchasr]

LOL I love that.

I actually dated a guy who was involved in trying to cure himself. It didn't work because that boy had more cocks inside than a hen house!