Bad Church philosophy, and what comes next...

Oct 21, 2004 11:49

Tonight we start discussion over a series of lectures on Church History, namely Replacement Theology. Over the next few months, we'll be lookig at the first two centuries of how Christianity separated from its roots, and developed a reactionary theology (basically speaking). Thursday nights should prove to be very revealing and faith/life ( Read more... )

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You can have my keyboard when the rapture happens, cuz I'll be outta here!!! OMG LOL!!!1 ericisrad October 21 2004, 11:38:20 UTC
That End Times Fiction looks really interesting. I used to be into all that stuff, and have read the first four books in the Left Behind series. Of course, I think that stuff is all rubbish now; actually, I think it's rather harmful. Thanks for the link! :)

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thesaj October 22 2004, 08:01:21 UTC
I have various reasons why I do not believe the A.D. 73 was the fulfillment...

The following did not occur, nor could it occur until the recent advent of satellite television which for the first time allows people throughout the world to witness such an event. 9-11 being the example of the first event truly witnessed the world over.

Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

Few other ones lead me to believe not everything is as closed as preterists would believe. There are others, but that will be a discussion for a later time...

But I do NOT believe we've entered thru Jacob's Trouble yet.

:(

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mikaeldraven October 22 2004, 13:29:36 UTC
It doesn't say the whole world though. Just people from different ethnic backgrounds, if that much. "...they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations..." How would this require sattelite television?

To go further into who the two witnesses are, they are alluded to as Zerubbabel and Joshua, Elijah and Moses, Jeremiah and Zechariah, called two olive trees, and two lampstands. Though I have seen it speculated to be James and Peter, which is an interesting study in itself, I am more inclined to see it representing Government and Religion, The Law and the Prophets. Also, one might see the symbolism of the congregation of Israel and the Holy Spirit in these. I have also seen it described and Israel and Judah (two olive trees, one true and one wild), which the Prophets often used to speak of the Jews and Gentiles.
To quote one writer:
The two anointed ones who serve the Lord are Zerubbabel and Joshua who stand for the kingly and priestly function of the ministry (Hag 1:1, Zech 4), in Rev 1:6 the saints are referred to as a ( ... )

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thesaj October 22 2004, 13:59:02 UTC
"people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half ( ... )

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mikaeldraven October 22 2004, 14:40:30 UTC
Let's take it one point at a time so as to not get too overwhelming or confusing...

I still don't see how you're getting out of scripture that the nations throughout the world will look upon the two dead witnesses.

Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

people - laos -denoting one's own people
kindred - phule - offshoot or tribe
tongues - glossa - natural language
nations - ethnos - foreign tribe; usually used to describe the gentiles

How does this describe the whole world (kosmos, or the like), without adding to it?

As far as argument/discussion is concerned, when the ultimate outcome is the same either way, I won't get too upset over disagreements. I'm mainly just trying to come to grasps with what scripture says critically, apart from tradition.

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sharissa October 22 2004, 16:44:29 UTC
And you're gonna ship me this book so I can read it, right? I could send it back with cookies (in a ziplock bag this time).

*grin*

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mikaeldraven October 22 2004, 18:06:18 UTC
Once my mom and dad, and a few other friends read it down here, I would be glad to ship it to you. It's rare that I find a book that is so enlightening to me, and I read a heck of a lot. This one suprised me. I thought it was just going to be a good resource for having scripture references for MCUSA. Instead, it kicked me in the head. I like books like that.

Plus, I had the pleasure of having your cookies while we were up there, so I wouldn't want to pass up the opportunity to have more ;)

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sharissa October 22 2004, 18:40:35 UTC
Hehehe... so the book is making the rounds. ;) My sister in law works at a Christian bookstore up here (can we say... 40% off?).. I may order it through her... if I get too impatient. But I'll let you know if I do or not. And those cookies will find their way to you anyhow... probably a Xmas thing. ;)

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