If it means anything coming from a person who's always liked and was interested in the character but maybe hasn't been as invested in him as some, I didn't think he died a villain. I saw a man struggling with his idealism (and I'll still call it that, even though it had turned bitter--there were still big ideas there, about right and wrong, truth and justice). I saw idealism on the show die, a sign of the bleak world Ron and Co. will be leaving us with at the end. But I didn't see him turn into Tom Zarek. When he faced down the firing squad, I was proud of him. He was a hero to me. The only heroes the show has are flawed; he came out as a prime example. IMHO.
Oh rant! I am all about the rants this week. I'm glad I'm not the only one still angry. And hugs. *hugs* There is always pain behind rage. I know that feeling, I know it well.
It's all my shippery heart has ever really wanted for these two in canon, even if I did have to get it at the very last minute and in a tear-my-heart-out kind of way. That's BSG. What they used to say on TWoP. Everything you want but in the worst way. I'm glad you got that scene, though. I was thinking of you the whole time. :-)
Gaius Baltar - who has spent almost the entire series unwilling to admit *even to himself* that he has the blood of billions of people on his hands and thinking primarily of himself - is not. It is utterly unconscionable. And I can't even be mad directly at Baltar because he was human and there for Felix at the end. But I can be mad at . . . gosh I don't even know what anymore. I'm just mad
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Hi hon. I'm so sorry that I didn't finish replying to my comments to this post and yours went unanswered.
Gaius Baltar - who has spent almost the entire series unwilling to admit *even to himself* that he has the blood of billions of people on his hands and thinking primarily of himself - is not. It is utterly unconscionable. And I can't even be mad directly at Baltar because he was human and there for Felix at the end. But I can be mad at . . . gosh I don't even know what anymore. I'm just mad.Yeah, even those it's been like two weeks now, I'm still mad every time I see Bill Adama on screen. He just drinks and snarls his way through practically every scene nowadays, and pops pills like Baltar used to on New Caprica. I think of Felix every time I see Bill drunk like that - "You are not the leader that you were when we started
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-Want Hoshi awkwardness. has occurred to me that maybe the reason Hoshi worked out better is it adds to HOSHI'S storyline a bit.
-Heart totally broken.
-Want head!Felix.
Must go because Mom wants a game before 10. I feel some consolation that BOTH MY BOYS are dead (at the same time!!!) because there's nothing they can do this week that will gut me near as much.
Sorry I never replied to this. I've been really absent from LJ lately. I was sad to see that there was absolutely NO awkwardness with Hoshi doing Felix's job. Grrr....
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Still want Head!Felix, but I'm beginning to tell myself that AJ made a counting error and isn't really going to be in next week's episode like everyone's thinking. I mean, maybe he'll be there in some way, but I need to tell myself this otherwise, I'll be very disappointed.
I was kind of glad that the Ellen resurrection episode was about something totally different so we didn't have to think about the mutiny too much. I didn't know what to make of Adama being all anti-Cylon about the work crew.
Yeah, I'm coming to the AJ made a counting error or stuff got shifted around in editing conclusion, too. If we were going to get head!Felix, it should have happened when we got head!Six.
It's really bugging me that they'll dance around the mutiny in dialogue, but no one has said Felix's name. The closest I've felt is it seemed like when Baltar was talking to Paula, he was saying all the things he realized he should have said to Felix.
But would it kill them to do an exit interview with AJ?
I'm still so glad they gave him this plotline, though and so glad he went out with Zarek. I don't care what Ron Moore says, Zarek was an idealist who was willing to use any means to try to achieve his visions. And he and Gaeta so belonged in a plotline together, because in a sense they're the same man at different points in their lives. Gaeta had made decisions that could have made him become what Zarek is now, and I still like the notion that Zarek looked at Gaeta and saw himself back before he was backed into a corner and violence was
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something that really hit me about this episode was the end...when his leg stopped hurting. it made me realize how lucky we are to have this show thats so filled with metaphor, simile, and allusions. thats so rare to find on actual tv - content that makes you think, that references other works of art, and that creates a silver strand connecting seemingly dispirit occasions to make this really....satisfying thing
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the preceding comment was made under the influence of cough meds, and i realize it might not make sense to those of you reading that are not under the influence of some sort of drugNah, I think it was an awesome comment. I'm sorry I took so long to reply to it. I feel a bit ridiculous saying it, but it's been kind of painful to talk about Felix dying, because it ultimately felt really unfair to me, when taken in context of the whole series. But I do agree with you. He did look relieved at finally getting to rest with the knowledge that he'd followed his conscience and had no regrets, unlike so many other times. I think he'd be a bit crushed if he saw what has happened in the aftermath to Bill and the whole Cylon integration question, but it's okay. He's dead and he doesn't have to see any of that
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it was hard fro me too, because honestly he was my favorite character. i identified with him the most, because he was the nebbish quiet one who did he job really well... but in the end i think he wouldn't have been able to handle the fact that the cylons were the 13th tribe and that everyone needed to come together to survive. frankly it seems that the whole mutiny (from a show perspective) was to clean house of any _actual_ decent...the quorum is gone, gaeta and zarek too. the people who were REALLY into the mutiny...everything has been rebalanced towards cylon integration.
i don't think everyone will think of him as a villain tho.. they'll probabyl pity him. think he was misguided, or even worse: think he was swept up into zareks cult of personality.
and i honestly don't know which is worse for our poor boy :-(
I was expecting Felix's death to come this season, but I was not expecting Felix to not die a hero.
*nod nod* Even as less of a fan of his character, I was pretty shocked by that. There's a part of me that can detach and appreciate it on a storytelling level, and a part of me that thinks it's just not a fitting end to such a noble guy. Gaeta, Dee and Cally all got these utterly horrible deaths that just make it so hard to look at the early versions of their characters, knowing what's going to come of them. It's tragic, and tragedy can be great - but easier to take in a 5-act play than a series requiring years of investment.
I've got to say, I don't really understand the singling out of Kara for particular condemnation. Yes, what the Circle almost did to him was terrible - but I don't think she was worse than any of the others. (In fact, I kind of think her readiness to kill him in a blind rage was less chilling that Chief's readiness to kill him in a spirit of cold deliberation.) And, leaving aside the mutiny, I don't think it was
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You're right, he still was about the big ideas. Idealism did seem to die with Felix. I shudder to think what the end will be like.
I have always loved your ficlets about Gaius and Felix on New Caprica, btw.
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It's all my shippery heart has ever really wanted for these two in canon, even if I did have to get it at the very last minute and in a tear-my-heart-out kind of way.
That's BSG. What they used to say on TWoP. Everything you want but in the worst way. I'm glad you got that scene, though. I was thinking of you the whole time. :-)
Gaius Baltar - who has spent almost the entire series unwilling to admit *even to himself* that he has the blood of billions of people on his hands and thinking primarily of himself - is not. It is utterly unconscionable. And I can't even be mad directly at Baltar because he was human and there for Felix at the end. But I can be mad at . . . gosh I don't even know what anymore. I'm just mad ( ... )
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Gaius Baltar - who has spent almost the entire series unwilling to admit *even to himself* that he has the blood of billions of people on his hands and thinking primarily of himself - is not.
It is utterly unconscionable. And I can't even be mad directly at Baltar because he was human and there for Felix at the end. But I can be mad at . . . gosh I don't even know what anymore. I'm just mad.Yeah, even those it's been like two weeks now, I'm still mad every time I see Bill Adama on screen. He just drinks and snarls his way through practically every scene nowadays, and pops pills like Baltar used to on New Caprica. I think of Felix every time I see Bill drunk like that - "You are not the leader that you were when we started ( ... )
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-Agree. Want Adama to acknowledge.
-Want Hoshi awkwardness. has occurred to me that maybe the reason Hoshi worked out better is it adds to HOSHI'S storyline a bit.
-Heart totally broken.
-Want head!Felix.
Must go because Mom wants a game before 10. I feel some consolation that BOTH MY BOYS are dead (at the same time!!!) because there's nothing they can do this week that will gut me near as much.
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SPOILER:
Still want Head!Felix, but I'm beginning to tell myself that AJ made a counting error and isn't really going to be in next week's episode like everyone's thinking. I mean, maybe he'll be there in some way, but I need to tell myself this otherwise, I'll be very disappointed.
I was kind of glad that the Ellen resurrection episode was about something totally different so we didn't have to think about the mutiny too much. I didn't know what to make of Adama being all anti-Cylon about the work crew.
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It's really bugging me that they'll dance around the mutiny in dialogue, but no one has said Felix's name. The closest I've felt is it seemed like when Baltar was talking to Paula, he was saying all the things he realized he should have said to Felix.
But would it kill them to do an exit interview with AJ?
I'm still so glad they gave him this plotline, though and so glad he went out with Zarek. I don't care what Ron Moore says, Zarek was an idealist who was willing to use any means to try to achieve his visions. And he and Gaeta so belonged in a plotline together, because in a sense they're the same man at different points in their lives. Gaeta had made decisions that could have made him become what Zarek is now, and I still like the notion that Zarek looked at Gaeta and saw himself back before he was backed into a corner and violence was ( ... )
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i don't think everyone will think of him as a villain tho.. they'll probabyl pity him. think he was misguided, or even worse: think he was swept up into zareks cult of personality.
and i honestly don't know which is worse for our poor boy :-(
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i wanna play rock band, i wanna play your sweet sweet drumset... are you still thinking about that BSG game? cause i'd be down for that...
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*nod nod* Even as less of a fan of his character, I was pretty shocked by that. There's a part of me that can detach and appreciate it on a storytelling level, and a part of me that thinks it's just not a fitting end to such a noble guy. Gaeta, Dee and Cally all got these utterly horrible deaths that just make it so hard to look at the early versions of their characters, knowing what's going to come of them. It's tragic, and tragedy can be great - but easier to take in a 5-act play than a series requiring years of investment.
I've got to say, I don't really understand the singling out of Kara for particular condemnation. Yes, what the Circle almost did to him was terrible - but I don't think she was worse than any of the others. (In fact, I kind of think her readiness to kill him in a blind rage was less chilling that Chief's readiness to kill him in a spirit of cold deliberation.) And, leaving aside the mutiny, I don't think it was ( ... )
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