I am glad if anyone is talking to these people its you and diosa. You are both well spoken and intelligent women.
And...Any negativity I have towards this is not aimed at you...Its not you I don't' trust jen, its them. Its not your opinions of the scene I find dangerous to us, but theirs. But I sincerely hope that the scene gets better press than it has in the past, and that this reporters has a soul and is willing to tell the WHOLE truth, or at least, as close to it as she can get.
Its not your opinions of the scene I find dangerous to us, but theirs.
And that's exactly why I think it's important to dispel the myths that have been perpetuated since Dateline aired the piece that crushed us in 1999. Maybe I am naive, but I didn't get the feeling that their line of questioning was biased at all. They asked about our music and what was so different about it; they asked about the atmosphere and why it was better or different than being at a concert or club...they are genuinely interested in the reality. Both good and bad.
It really is going to turn out well, I think. Since it is a full feature piece, I don't think it will probably air until August. They are investigating both sides for sure, but they are definitely finding that we're not what we've been made out to be in the past and that is just....awesome. I really hope that there are other people who will cooperate with them and continue to show them that we're on the up and up.
We've moved past the days of small renegade parties--we have evolved.
As long as you're cognizant of the fact that "evolution" merely means "change" without any implication of a change in quality....
Respect applies to respect for our laws, not just for each other.Actually, what you're advocating is obedience to the law, not respect for it. Those are two very different ideals. The laws are, in some cases, not worthy of respect or even downright abominable, but unfortunately they must be followed nonetheless, lest we find ourselves in jail, shot by the cops, or on some sekrit terr'ist watch list because we share a name with some lunatic nutjob that really does want to blow up shopping malls and federal buildings
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I agree with you on all points--who doesn't like a little danger now and then; but, unfortunately, as far as public safety is concerned, we've seen an increase in violence at illegal events. There was another (I can't believe I'm saying "another") stabbing at a party earlier this month.
The other issue we're having is an increase of scantily clad under-aged girls--granted that they are looking to get into trouble and they can do that anywhere, but they can definitely get away with it at illegal events. I think we have a responsibility to protect our community and our right to party and if we condone these activities, then we lose credibility, even if we are those law-abiding citizens by day.
It's like I said...we just can't have it both ways. If we could ensure that we could keep underage kids and drug-dealers out, that would be different, but those promoters are too blinded by the almighty dollar to care.
There was another (I can't believe I'm saying "another") stabbing at a party earlier this month.
That's fucked up. However, I think you know as well as I do that violent behavior is not the exclusive realm of the illegal venue. Was this a drug deal gone bad, or just a couple of assholes with a knife?
The other issue we're having is an increase of scantily clad under-aged girls
So? I don't see where this is inherently a problem (or anything new, come to think of it). What are they doing (besides showing up) that's such a big deal? Or is it not their presence that's the problem but an increase in miscreants in general (e.g., people like Stabby McStabbers referenced above) ?
promoters are too blinded by the almighty dollar to care.You mean promoters are actually making money from throwing parties again? Wow, when did that happen? A few years ago it seemed like only a couple of promoters could actually make money and the rest were losing their asses. Or has it turned into lots of promoters being in bed with the dealers to make
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As far as the stabbing, I have no idea if it was just a fight or if it had to do with drugs. Either way, if there had been security there searching people, said knife would have been confiscated....although I heard this happened in the parking lot. I realize that violence happens everywhere...girls get raped in parking lots on the way out of concerts; armed theft happens in the mall parking lot....but that doesn't mean that the news and police won't zero in on us and make it a lot harder for us to even throw legal events. We're a much smaller group of people with a lot less money to throw at politicians and law enforcement, unlike concert promoters
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i think thats really sad if people are going to *hate* on you for your outlook on the scene.honestly i respect your veiw point i think me and you share the same view on some things that are still going on in the scene.*even though im hardly ever around these days* but yeah i do applaud you for coming forward and giving a strong veiw point. *golf clap* and let the haters, hate. you cant make friends or win over everyone.
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And...Any negativity I have towards this is not aimed at you...Its not you I don't' trust jen, its them. Its not your opinions of the scene I find dangerous to us, but theirs. But I sincerely hope that the scene gets better press than it has in the past, and that this reporters has a soul and is willing to tell the WHOLE truth, or at least, as close to it as she can get.
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And that's exactly why I think it's important to dispel the myths that have been perpetuated since Dateline aired the piece that crushed us in 1999. Maybe I am naive, but I didn't get the feeling that their line of questioning was biased at all. They asked about our music and what was so different about it; they asked about the atmosphere and why it was better or different than being at a concert or club...they are genuinely interested in the reality. Both good and bad.
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We've moved past the days of small renegade parties--we have evolved.
As long as you're cognizant of the fact that "evolution" merely means "change" without any implication of a change in quality....
Respect applies to respect for our laws, not just for each other.Actually, what you're advocating is obedience to the law, not respect for it. Those are two very different ideals. The laws are, in some cases, not worthy of respect or even downright abominable, but unfortunately they must be followed nonetheless, lest we find ourselves in jail, shot by the cops, or on some sekrit terr'ist watch list because we share a name with some lunatic nutjob that really does want to blow up shopping malls and federal buildings ( ... )
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The other issue we're having is an increase of scantily clad under-aged girls--granted that they are looking to get into trouble and they can do that anywhere, but they can definitely get away with it at illegal events. I think we have a responsibility to protect our community and our right to party and if we condone these activities, then we lose credibility, even if we are those law-abiding citizens by day.
It's like I said...we just can't have it both ways. If we could ensure that we could keep underage kids and drug-dealers out, that would be different, but those promoters are too blinded by the almighty dollar to care.
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That's fucked up. However, I think you know as well as I do that violent behavior is not the exclusive realm of the illegal venue. Was this a drug deal gone bad, or just a couple of assholes with a knife?
The other issue we're having is an increase of scantily clad under-aged girls
So? I don't see where this is inherently a problem (or anything new, come to think of it). What are they doing (besides showing up) that's such a big deal? Or is it not their presence that's the problem but an increase in miscreants in general (e.g., people like Stabby McStabbers referenced above) ?
promoters are too blinded by the almighty dollar to care.You mean promoters are actually making money from throwing parties again? Wow, when did that happen? A few years ago it seemed like only a couple of promoters could actually make money and the rest were losing their asses. Or has it turned into lots of promoters being in bed with the dealers to make ( ... )
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