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Jun 26, 2002 14:52

I just found out that the Pledge of Allegiance was ruled unconstitutional because of separation of church and state, after a complaint by an atheist. In the Pledge, you say "One nation, under God...". What's everyone's opinion on this?

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ladycinderella June 27 2002, 10:05:38 UTC

I think that if the Athiest doesn't like it, then they don't have to say the pledge at all. His/Her choice. That's what this country is about...choices. It is his/her choice to be in this country. Everyone can believe what they want. Let this Athiest make up his/her own pledge.

courtly June 28 2002, 13:45:00 UTC

Well, here's how I see it ( ... )

Re: ladycinderella June 28 2002, 14:24:40 UTC

I believe, tradition. Leave it the way it is...but the option and the teaching of it should include what you have said. So that if you are not Christian, you may say something else such as "under the Diety" or "under the Goddess" or whatever the case may be.

Re: courtly June 28 2002, 14:38:10 UTC

Oh, I don't agree there. What if the tradition includes a prejudice? Obviously, we have to fix the tradition.

Simplest terms... what if the allegiance read "Allah" instead of "God"? Would you be in favour of just having all Christians omit the word?

That's how I see it. It's just not fair to have a state-sponsored creed imply that believing in God makes you somehow MORE of a part of the state than if you don't.

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thanks to <lj user="amethyst_star"> ladycinderella July 4 2002, 02:50:02 UTC

A PAGAN PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Author: WolfSquint

I Pledge Allegiance,
to the Earth,
And all the Creatures which inhabit it,
And to the Oceans,
Which Give us Life
One Planet, under sky, inter-dependent
With Energy, and sustenance for all.

anonymous July 11 2002, 20:57:37 UTC

The 2nd ammendment states "Freedom OF religion" NOT Freedom FROM Religion. This nation was founded under God and the founding fathers knew their english very well. Most were fleeing a state decreed religion and wanted to have the right to choose, that means that anyone who came here could choose and follow what they thought was right and it is unconstitutional to force people not to practice their religion. If the liberals would take the constitution at face value instead of looking at it as a "living document" we'd all be much better off. Many things didn't get said in The Constitution for 2 reasons, The Ten Commandments were used as an ultimate guideline so other clarification wasn't needed and they couldn't think of many of the things added later (due mostly to the stupidity of people these days).

Sadisticm

courtly July 20 2002, 07:15:53 UTC

Big difference between taking the words 'out' of the creed, and preventing people from saying them.

Nobody's going to jail little Jimmy because he insists on saying "under God" in the Creed. But better they make little Jimmy make that choice to put them in, than to make little Mohammed feel excluded because he has to take them OUT.

jayj79 November 25 2002, 19:27:14 UTC

you mean there are people that actually pay attention to the meaning when they recite something? usually, kids (and adults) just rattle it off without thinking about it.