Yay! Jaden fan! I acually liked Thom on first viewing and felt bad when Alex had to kill him - and not just for Alex. But on rewatch, Irealized just how shitty he treated Jaden in 'Guardian'. She could have been cancelled. And he didn't even confront Alex with that or do something... And 'll the Way' does hint at a past relationship with Jaden, even if it was purely physical (on his part; it seemed to have been a bit more on her part).
He wasn't boring. I just think he just looked nice because Division is filled with sociopaths and trained killers. I just didn't like how he treated Jaden and how he dropped her like a booty call to make nice with Alex. His words were nice but his actions weren't.
I think it's hard because the show has never outright portrayed Jaden and Thom as in a relationship. So much has been from Alex's POV that it comes across more as Jaden just has a crush on Thom, and an unfair grudge against Alex from the first moment they met and Jaden attacked her. I think the show should have opened up Jaden's POV more and all it would have taken would be one or two scenes of her and Thom together and showing Jaden pained at him being less invested. Instead we nearly always only see her from the perspective of giving Alex a hard time
And I know that Alex can give as good as she gets, but that still doesn't help Jaden come across as a more rounded character
I think Jaden's grudge on Alex would have been unfair even if she and Thom had been in a relationship - understandable, yes, but still unfair. But I actually think that in 'All the Way', it's made unambigously clear that she and Thom had a friends-with-benefits thing going before Alex came along. (When he says he can't hook up 'again' with her because he's now an agent...)
But even without opening up Jaden's POV, I think the role Thom played in Birkhoff's almost-frame-up of Jaden was still a shitty role. Sure Jaden wasn't nice to *Alex* but she hadn't done anything to Thom. She was his friend, if nothing else, at least a fellow recruit like himself and he knew she was innocent. I wasn't expecting him toturn in Alex but he could have at least confronted her with it later: 'Hey, you know what? Play around all you like in Percy's office for your file or whatever but next time they try to cancel another recruit for your actions, own your shit.' or something.
I don't think you're the only Jaden fan, but I'm sorry to say I'm not on that bandwagon with you. I think this is due to how she's been written so far. She's sort of all over the place.
I've read that people think that the Jaden and Alex will eventually end up friends (or want that to happen), but I'm on the train that wants to see Jaden and Alex develop into enemies. (Part of which is caused by Alex's own behavior towards Jaden.) I think that would be more interesting to watch.
As for Thom, yeah, I was wondering throughout that scene if he was going to let Jaden take the fall for Alex's actions or if he were actually going to speak up if Michael hadn't put a stop to Birkoff's plan to frame a recruit. (I didn't really care for the Alex/Thom/Jaden storyline in general so I can't remember if Thom followed up with Alex on it.)
I liked that Alex didn’t step up and vindicate JadenI loved that scene! I thought for sure we were going to see Alex start to crack a little, so I was surprised when she didn't. When I first saw it, I thought it
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Sorry, I didn’t mean to come across as all melodramatic and OMGONLYJADENFANINTHEWORLDWHATISWRONGWTHFANDOM at everyone. :P I guess all the talk on TWOP about how Jaden was useless/ should be killed off so Hines can be sacked and the budget freed up etc. was really, really getting me down.
I think this is due to how she's been written so far. She's sort of all over the place.
I don't think the writers pay enough attention to Jaden's arc but I think the little that we see of her, and her inner life, is quite consistent.
Obviously, I’m all for Jaden and Alex not becoming friends, mind, but allies with a touch of Nakama down the road. But the one thing I will ask for if they do stay on opposite sides is that Jaden does it for something more than vengeance for Thom, who was a shitty friend to her. I confess that I’m sort of projecting Alias S1!Anna Esponsa’s relationship with Sydney on my wishes for Jaden/Alex. I always though Sydney and Anna will team up ‘the enemy of my enemy’ style but not only did the show not go that way, they
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I didn’t mean to come across as all melodramatic and OMGONLYJADENFANINTHEWORLDWHATISWRONGWTHFANDOM at everyone.
Oh, no I didn't get that feeling! I know what it's like to be in the minority of fans who like a character.
Maybe it's my knee-jerk reaction to the show being on the CW and shows with girls being frenemies, but I for one would love to see Jaden develop into a Division agent who a) likes her job and b) is good at it. I don't know why, but I feel that Jaden and Alex actually being on opposite sides would be something fresh and different (at least for me). I do agree though, I'd hate for Jaden's story to just be about avenging Thom.
you don’t just throw your old friend-with-benefits under the bus especially if that bus can be a cancellation!
Again, I do wonder if there was more to that bit of storyline that ended up on the cutting room floor due to time. The way the writers seemed to present Thom, I wouldn't think he'd leave Jaden hanging if Michael hadn't stepped in.
I didn't care much about the whole 9021007 thing with
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The idea of a Jaden - or any young agent for that matter - who is not only good at her job, but has fully drunk the Division Kool-aid and believes that working for Division=serving her country/ getting a second chance at life is really cool. Thom was supposed to be that but he's dead now. It's certainly a gap that can be filled by Jaden
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I wasn't ever on the Thom-bandwagon so I wasn't impressed with his 'nice guy' cred.
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And I know that Alex can give as good as she gets, but that still doesn't help Jaden come across as a more rounded character
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But even without opening up Jaden's POV, I think the role Thom played in Birkhoff's almost-frame-up of Jaden was still a shitty role. Sure Jaden wasn't nice to *Alex* but she hadn't done anything to Thom. She was his friend, if nothing else, at least a fellow recruit like himself and he knew she was innocent. I wasn't expecting him toturn in Alex but he could have at least confronted her with it later: 'Hey, you know what? Play around all you like in Percy's office for your file or whatever but next time they try to cancel another recruit for your actions, own your shit.' or something.
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I've read that people think that the Jaden and Alex will eventually end up friends (or want that to happen), but I'm on the train that wants to see Jaden and Alex develop into enemies. (Part of which is caused by Alex's own behavior towards Jaden.) I think that would be more interesting to watch.
As for Thom, yeah, I was wondering throughout that scene if he was going to let Jaden take the fall for Alex's actions or if he were actually going to speak up if Michael hadn't put a stop to Birkoff's plan to frame a recruit. (I didn't really care for the Alex/Thom/Jaden storyline in general so I can't remember if Thom followed up with Alex on it.)
I liked that Alex didn’t step up and vindicate JadenI loved that scene! I thought for sure we were going to see Alex start to crack a little, so I was surprised when she didn't. When I first saw it, I thought it ( ... )
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I think this is due to how she's been written so far. She's sort of all over the place.
I don't think the writers pay enough attention to Jaden's arc but I think the little that we see of her, and her inner life, is quite consistent.
Obviously, I’m all for Jaden and Alex not becoming friends, mind, but allies with a touch of Nakama down the road. But the one thing I will ask for if they do stay on opposite sides is that Jaden does it for something more than vengeance for Thom, who was a shitty friend to her. I confess that I’m sort of projecting Alias S1!Anna Esponsa’s relationship with Sydney on my wishes for Jaden/Alex. I always though Sydney and Anna will team up ‘the enemy of my enemy’ style but not only did the show not go that way, they ( ... )
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Oh, no I didn't get that feeling! I know what it's like to be in the minority of fans who like a character.
Maybe it's my knee-jerk reaction to the show being on the CW and shows with girls being frenemies, but I for one would love to see Jaden develop into a Division agent who a) likes her job and b) is good at it. I don't know why, but I feel that Jaden and Alex actually being on opposite sides would be something fresh and different (at least for me). I do agree though, I'd hate for Jaden's story to just be about avenging Thom.
you don’t just throw your old friend-with-benefits under the bus especially if that bus can be a cancellation!
Again, I do wonder if there was more to that bit of storyline that ended up on the cutting room floor due to time. The way the writers seemed to present Thom, I wouldn't think he'd leave Jaden hanging if Michael hadn't stepped in.
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