Comments | morganlucas41: SPN 7.17 - The Born-Again Identity

morganlucas41

SPN 7.17 - The Born-Again Identity

Mar 24, 2012 15:56

Wow. I don't even know what to say.

That was an emotional roller coaster of an episode, that's for sure.

( For the most part, I liked it a lot. 7.17 spoilers... )

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kitap March 25 2012, 07:24:05 UTC

What I wasn't crazy about was the ending. Last night I was downright livid, that the boys could just leave Cas there like that - with Meg, nonetheless. But, I'm confident this isn't the end. Cas has more episodes, for one thing. And I guess Dean really thought he was doing the best thing for Cas, that they couldn't take him with them. I'm not sure exactly where they were going with such urgency, but whatever. And, I mean, let's not forget that Dean's still clinically depressed, as far as I'm concerned, so yeah, he's not making the best decisions.
They can't take a catatonic angel with them, though. How do you care for him? And he may not be responsive enough to even move ( ... )

morganlucas41 March 26 2012, 02:28:26 UTC

You're right, they couldn't really take Cas with them in that state. And it probably wasn't safe for them to remain there much longer, either. I feel pretty sure they'll go back for him soon, so I'm not too worried about it. My knee-jerk reaction was that it wasn't a good thing, but I feel better about it now.

Yeah...I don't trust Meg one bit, but I guess they were just making the best of a difficult situation. Like I said, I'm pretty sure it's not a permanent solution.

Huh, that's certainly possible that it was God. I assumed it was Bobby, or that they want us to think it's Bobby, because they made that same "whoosh" sound they've used for these weird little occurrences before, which seem like they were Bobby. But it's not for sure yet, of course.

inplayruns March 25 2012, 15:11:10 UTC

Yeah, I agree with a lot of this. Also, at least on a first watch, I didn't even pick up that they'd left Meg there on purpose, so I was REALLY livid. That scene at the end where they sort of explained it seemed incredibly rushed. Also, after a whole episode that showed how much the Winchesters cared about Cas/other people in general, it really did them a disservice to show them bolting with a tiny token protest from Sam, more or less.

I've seen a lot of people say that by giving Cas the coat, that didn't show Dean cared at all, and he was just using it to manipulate him to help Sam by giving himself up. That is... ridiculous IMO. And I don't think I'm speaking from a shippy perspective here. Even if you think he was just giving him the coat to push him into helping Dean, how does it not show he cares about Cas? That coat was gross and Dean carried it around for months and months to a whole bunch of different cars.

And then Cas decided himself that he'd take on Sam's Hell memories. Not because he has wibbly luvvvv for Dean, but ( ... )

morganlucas41 March 26 2012, 02:45:08 UTC

The ending did seem really rushed. Like, they went from Cas seeing Sam-as-Lucifer to Sam and Dean being outside, BAM, really fast. It was hard to tell the first time around what was going on. I agree that this would've been better as a two-parter. They certainly had enough material for two episodes, and would have had more impact. And yeah, based on the promo, next week's ep looks like TOTAL filler. So who knows.

I've seen a lot of people say that by giving Cas the coat, that didn't show Dean cared at all, and he was just using it to manipulate him to help Sam by giving himself up.Ugh. I haven't seen this, but I had a feeling people would make this argument. And it's totally ridiculous. Anyone with eyes can watch that scene and see how genuine Dean is there. Sure, he wants to help Sam, undeniably. But he also genuinely wants to make Cas realize that what he did wasn't the end of the world, and that Dean himself doesn't think so. I've watched it again critically and I just don't think Dean is lying when he says "so what?". I really do ( ... )

inplayruns March 26 2012, 04:43:33 UTC

I've seen Dean get a lot of criticism for his actions in this episode and - don't get me wrong, I was FURIOUS with him at the end, and out of Sam, Cas, and him, he came off looking the worst by far. Heck, he didn't really come off any better than Meg. (But on the other hand, he had really difficult decisions to make that the other people didn't. What would you do if you found a guy who had the face and abilities of your best friend, who died after hurting you so badly, but you still cared for deeply, and he didn't remember you, and he had a new life that he seemed to like?) But the criticism of him has been over strange things, like the moment with the coat. I really didn't see it as manipulation, and even if you did him still having that coat with him in the car after all those months and all those different cars says so much ( ... )

morganlucas41 March 26 2012, 06:02:07 UTC

Yeah, I'm really glad that wherever I hang out in fandom, I haven't seen these strange criticisms, lol. I anticipated that people might see Dean's actions as callous initially, but I really feel like he made the best of an impossible situation. The trench coat scene, in particular - I thought it was incredibly well-done, so open and emotional and raw. I don't see any room whatsoever for "manipulation" in that scene, if nothing else ( ... )

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