Figuring out the "problem" in my Plan B article

[morsefan]

We should recognize agnosticism and atheism as religions. If not, they could be “established,” because nothing says they can’t. You think the public schools are bad now

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[altamira16]

Why would a doctor put him/herself in the position of such moral conflict? Most doctors are not OB/GYNs. Of the limited pool that are, many do not perform abortions because they believe it goes against their Hypocratic oath. States like South Dakota that are down to one abortion clinic have to fly in their doctors from out of state. Obstetrics has a pretty high incidence of losing souls. Obstetricians have pretty high malpractice insurance rates for a reason. Babies tend to have a nasty habit of getting caught up in the umbilical cord.

[morsefan]

First, I'm sure most don't choose it. As for abortion requirements, Catholics were just always exempted until very recently. It was just assumed. The reason the law is changing is that Planned Parenthood, etc., are challenging Catholic hospitals and doctors and doing a lot of lobbying -- though they are getting some wins on the other side, too -- probably because religious freedom law isn't as much of a bulwark as it once was. As for Plan B, this morning-after stuff is new

[altamira16]

It is fairly typical for all doctors to ask you if you are pregnant, have been pregnant, what type of birth control you use, etc. Some of them ask you to give them your number of sexual conquests for the past year too. I tend to confuse them as well.

[sorceror]

many do not perform abortions because they believe it goes against their Hypocratic oath.

Doesn't the (original) Hippocratic oath explicitly state that you are not allowed to perform an abortion?

[serratia]

The way I see it, the problem is one (in many cases) of mutual lack of respect. There are pro-life articles that have the "you rotten baby-murderer" tone to them (and not when we're talking about a third trimester "partial-birth" abortion, when there could reasonably be some argument made for that-- it's when we're talking about less than seventy-two freaking hours after a broken condom or something) and there are pro-choice articles that have that "you fundie nutcase religious Nazi" tone to them when speaking of a pharmacist with deeply held religious convictions and a "first, do no harm" approach to his or her practice.

I would ideally want there to be some way where Plan B would be readily available to women who found themselves facing a potential unwanted pregnancy, and a way for medical/allied health professionals with religious objections to avoid being forced to dispense it.

The respect and consideration have to go both ways, though, before any such compromise has a prayer (uh, so-to-speak ;) ) of coming to fruition.

[morsefan]

The way I see it, the problem is one (in many cases) of mutual lack of respect.I will always agree that mutual respect must be there. What I don't see as much of is the "you rotten baby-murderer" thing -- certainly not in law reviews (the other side can get published because that's "OK," but no article taking such a strong position would make it into print on the pro-life side) -- but then I'm not walking into an abortion clinic either. Those folks are trying to save lives, and calling someone a murderer strikes me as likely to be ineffective. Yet while I hear people refer to that perception tone -- I'm sure it's in the Planned Parenthood fundraising pamphlets -- is it the real one? I frequently see newspaper articles with associated pictures of groups praying together. Well, whatever -- I wouldn't think that language was the right thing (as to the doctors, maybe, but that's different) -- but it's the "rotten" and "murderer" that bothers me, not "murder." Anyway, if protesters are doing it, they need to stop. It's unproductive

[sorceror]

Why must the rest of us, as a matter of public policy, accommodate her if she just hasn’t been careful? I am highly sympathetic to rape, immaturity, domestic violence, men-who-do-miscellaneous-other-bad-stuff and mental illness. “Not bothering to be careful” does not cut it with me when I see what could be on the other side of the scale.

As a matter of interest: what does the law say about the father's position, if the choice is entirely the mother's? What if she has a child when he's stated he wants her to have an abortion? Or without consulting him at all?

[spacecowgirl]

Why must the rest of us, as a matter of public policy, accommodate her if she just hasn’t been careful? I am highly sympathetic to rape, immaturity, domestic violence, men-who-do-miscellaneous-other-bad-stuff and mental illness. “Not bothering to be careful” does not cut it with me when I see what could be on the other side of the scale.You know I'm pro-choice. Not pro-abortion, but pro-choice (my stance is that I loathe abortion and wish there didn't have to be a need for it, but that it is a necessity in some situations and needs to be there). But I have always believed what you said above. The "not bothering to be careful" is the part of the pro-choice argument that I cannot abide. Abortion should NEVER be a woman's only means of birth control, that's ridiculous, and I believe that is when it becomes a sin. A friend of mine had an abortion not long ago, and I hope she never reads this, because I had a very, very, VERY difficult time being supportive of her for the simple fact that she and her boyfriend did not use any kind of

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[morsefan]

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