WTF!!!!!

[mrsvollmar]

Hey homies, ruff week, shit sucks. im so F****n pissed about gary. kicking a man out of a church he dosnt even attened based on rumors is a new low for e's house, im officail ashamed. i have no choice but to admit that e's house is truly religious. and 2 nights ago luke told me he wanted to start a church without kayce. And then he changed

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[e2m32]

Didn't they talk to Gary about the concerns that they had? Would he not be invited back if he was willing to submit to the leadership of the church? And what is religious about e's house? I don't see any type of religious acts; I just see a bunch of kids trying to do what is best for their friends and the church.

However, I really do miss the free worship... all of this shit that has gotten in the way of that. The thing with Luke and the pride battle with Gary. It's all a bunch of shit in the way of just loving/blessing each other and God. I miss drum jam and just open and free worship.

Why must we hurt so bad? Can we not move on? Someday> please... When will the wounds heal?

[icywolfang]

Wounds will heal when what is causing the injuries have been resolved, and when people stop picking at them.

[mrsvollmar]

we tryed to heal last sunday but leadership called it off to dig the wounds a little deeper.

[lsavageiii]

There is no pride battle between me and Gary. The issues are with our church and our leadership - it is only recently that I have even become involved. I simply asked questions and he dug his own grave. I'm not claiming to be free of pride, but the issues here run a little deeper than that.

[radiohazard]

Censorship much?

[mysilentredwood]

yeah dude, this sounds all so very 1984ish to me. he would be able to be let back into the church if he submitted to the leadership. ooo, be careful not to commit any thought crimes while you're at it. oy. holly....get out now. you can find better than this. god loves everyone. people should feel safe at church- not have to watch their step.

[mrsvollmar]

emmy i love how smart you are. it makes me giggle. And i like how you and air head always chime in.

[zionchild]

yeah d00d screw any sort of leadership
Jesus didn't listen to any bullcrap authority figure
you are the most intelligent and god-led person on earth

[icywolfang]

Holly, I have talked with both Luke and Brad. I don't know where things got mixed up, but I'm afraid that there have been some misunderstandings.

Feel free to give me a call tommorow if you want to talk about things. I am willing to open a ear to anyone. Maybe I can help.

But I don't think that going on here and saying these things without more direct clarification is wise. People are hurting already, I don't think that its helpful to be handleing things haphazardly. Though these things do need to be dealt with and not simply swept under a rug.

I hope to talk to you tommorow.

[mrsvollmar]

who is this?

[childclover]

Mike S

[djsamwise]

"me eating deer meat

[mrsvollmar]

i put the deer thing in just for you. The thing is i feel very strongly that leadership needs to be challanged. they are going on the offence right now and are hurting people. Gary is the closest thing i ever had to a father and leadership attecking him the way they did was pathetic. They were not polite in the phone call. (i wont even go in to how pathetic it is that they couldnt do this face to face) There was a room full of people listening and non of them thought it went so nice. and did i mention that leadership didnt even stop to get the facts straight. i could go on for days but i wont.

[djsamwise]

I know you feel very hurt and you know I agree with most of what they've done. But regardless.. you and I agree on one thing. The Bible. And if I show you in the Bible where it says it's not good for you to constantly be challenging your pastors and leaders like you are would you agree with the Bible?

My concern is that you are making it more difficult to do what God has called them to do (that is being leaders and pastors) and that your role in the church should be to make their job easier, help them serve God better and more. I can tell you quite confidently that what you are doing, or perhaps how you are doing it is having the opposite effect.

[lsavageiii]

That's not what I said, Holly, and you know it. I made it very clear that I was simply trying to come up with solutions to be a good husband and not force my wife into a difficult situation. I have told Brad countless times that if anyone should leave, it is me - and I will if necessary. I talked to Malinda about it that night and she said that she would be willing to return to church whether Kayce was there or not. I left you a message informing you of this and you told Brad I was lying about it. Now he has talked to Malinda and knows that I was not lying about it. Also, Brad asked you to call me and get things straightned out but 2 days have gone by and I have not recieved a call - instead, you have decided to slander me and gossip about me. I thought you and Mark were my friends, but it's been a while since I've had an enemy call me an asshole. I've always done my best to love you guys. I still pray for you regularly. However, you owe me an apology and you know it.

[mrsvollmar]

it was not very clear and since i dont trust you your message ment nothing. I didnt know you were trying to get a hold of me... you may want to try calling me. some times that works. the thing is me and troy have the same story even though we havent talked in 2 or 3 weeks. funny huh? And we were your friends until you started using our friend as a scape-goat.

[mrsvollmar]

apoligize to gary than ill stop calling you an asshole.

[alitanokomis]

You shouldn't be calling anyone that no matter what. There shouldnt be a stipulation. Jesus didnt have stipulations for us, who are you to do that and hold a mistake over some one? I by no means are free of this myself with my personal life, but I still know that it is not right.

Luke is still the pastor, one of our leaders, our brother in christ, and A CHILD OF GOD, WHOM GOD LOVES...you should treat him as such no matter what.