Comments | murva: Oh What to Do, What to Do: The Lament of the Idle Pt 2

murva

Oh What to Do, What to Do: The Lament of the Idle Pt 2

May 06, 2005 13:34

There seem to be so many possibilities. My interests are vast, yet how deep? The past year has been filled with fantasies of some future, but should they be mine ( Read more... )

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satarnion May 7 2005, 00:54:16 UTC

no, you're right. it's not soul searching. these are place you speak of that i've only dreamed of. places of certainty that fill me with envy and hope.

not to say i haven't done my own good works, but i'm baffled in comparison. i'm excited for you.

(and let me mention how happy i am that i can speak to you from so far away.)

murva May 10 2005, 19:19:09 UTC

Yes, it is so wonderful to be able to carry on fragments of conversation at least!

I am not so sure that I see it with as much certainty that you do. It feels all pretty murky to me. But maybe if you are seeing some certainty there, I am on the right track. But it is exciting. Even the process of putting these thoughts down here in LJ have helped me see a bit more clearly than I had been.

I don't know if this is a comment now dancemonkey May 7 2005, 13:48:35 UTC

Jesus. Fantastic entry, CK.

I did not want to be like my Dad, constantly scrounging for the next hundred bucks, but I wanted to have his independence and freedom to express his values in the work he chooses.

You know, every time I think that we may have conflicting ideologies you end up saying something that I completely agree with. You do understand that this is precisely what I mean when we talk about money and you occasionally get on my case about wanting more. It isn't about wanting more, it is about being comfortable with my financial well being. What you said there is exactly what I'm talking about.

Do those two concepts conflict?
They shouldn't, should they? But for some reason, with maybe a few exceptions, they do in the eyes of many. Some people get on the case of those who decide to work for "corporate America" (don't you love that phrase, it carries with it so many uncomfortable meanings for so many people now). Who is it for us to say that person who is working for X company is doing it only for the money. YES ( ... )

Re: I don't know if this is a comment now murva May 10 2005, 19:42:46 UTC

Satarnion and Lizzielazarus are having a very interesting conversation regarding the value we give to our work in terms of self-worth and happiness ( ... )

I hear ya dancemonkey May 11 2005, 16:33:15 UTC

I feel that if you are lucky you can find worth in your work-work. The work that you do for a pay check. I don't think that it is mandatory. What I do think is mandatory is that work is a professional life and that is all. When it comes to work there shouldn't be a mix of personal in there. That's where my trouble comes from. I'd be willing to stay where I am if there was that separation but you know as well as I do that Jay doesn't work like that. There are a whole host of reasons for this, and I won't get into them here, but he can't seem to understand that what's professional is professional and what isn't is not. There is a reason why I have never invited him and his family over to my house for dinner. I try to keep my shit professional (christ I am sounding like Mr. Pink from Reservoir Dogs ( ... )

Re: I don't know if this is a comment now lizzielazarus May 11 2005, 00:27:23 UTC

I think i have to reply. When I was referring to Politics in my question to Murva, I was referring to politics as the idealised "grass-roots" phenomena that he has spoken of & sees as an outcropping of DeT. I was at heart referring to a facet of his belief that I have always been rather amazed at--that he seems to truly believe that social change is possible through an organisation. I have been rather disgusted by the egotistical & hypocritical behaviour that flourishes in idealistic organisations from the local Kucinich campaign to the Green party, etc., and by the fact that so often, people organised for "social change" would rather institute self-serving, bureaucratic policies than grapple with important questions or just get shit done. So, my question was an attempt to understand if he had come over to the cynical side with me, or if he had merely given up on this one institution in this particular time & place.

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I have very bright friends waltwrites May 7 2005, 14:34:19 UTC

dealing with very real issues. I count it as a gift.

For the moment I am fighting the battle of creationism in my own family. More on this issue when I am NO LONGER IN NEBRASKA>

Re: I have very bright friends dancemonkey May 7 2005, 17:36:01 UTC

Wow. You're in Nebraska now?

Re: I have very bright friends waltwrites May 8 2005, 14:07:47 UTC

Yes, and at this moment, in between the tornado siren going off, the churchbells are achiming and the various electronic carillon machines from the various demonizations (that was no typo) are competing with such fine melodies as The Old Rugged Cross and What A Friend We Have in Jesus. They don't know from Mozart out here anymore.

I return to LA tomorrow - thank the goddess....a thing I seldom say about LA.

Re: I have very bright friends dancemonkey May 8 2005, 17:10:22 UTC

Jesus. Safe travels. I hope you find your Mozart.