On Iran

Jun 21, 2009 17:09

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oscagne June 21 2009, 23:06:47 UTC
Um, which particular agendas are you referring to?

It doesn't look like they're trying to overthrow Islam, it looks like they're trying to create a secular and democratic government. It looks like they thing the current regime has perverted Islam for political reasons.

Mousavi may have been two hairs this side of being another Ahmadinnerjacket, but I don't think it's really about him anymore. It's about them being killed out of hand and terrorized, and them being tired of it.

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dekarch June 21 2009, 23:08:31 UTC
No, they really aren't. If they were trying to create a secular and democratic government, they'd be attacking the whole rotten systems whereby a council of Mullahs gets to have the real power while the elected President is a sock puppet.

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mynameisnotreal June 21 2009, 23:10:39 UTC
Exactly. I've heard so many people talking as though the people are getting ready to oust the Islamist regime and install a good ole Democratic government, eat hot dogs and start playing baseball.

They have their reasons for rioting. We cannot say that they are OUR reasons.

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dekarch June 21 2009, 23:07:23 UTC
Frankly, I can't see (from an American perspective) one meaningful point of difference between the current nutjob-in-chief and the wanna-be nutjob-in-chief.

Two terrorists who want nuclear bombs to blow up Israel and the US. Which one happens to be popular among young, urban professional Iranians is meaningless to me.

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mynameisnotreal June 21 2009, 23:13:53 UTC
Yup. When the students rioted in CVhian years ago, it was for reasons that were plain. They were pro Democracy.

I'm sure you've seen the videos. They are upset, but they are, all side, still shouting "Allahu akbahr!" This is not a revolution; this is a change of underwear. If people are expecting anything more than a purge of those who are in power, they do not understand at all these people.

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stormgren June 21 2009, 23:47:09 UTC
It's more than that though. It's a shove toward wanting rule of law, starting with the elections.

What's going on right now is a step in the right direction.

Conversations that I've had with folks tied to keeping lines of communication open as well as folks actually in-country, well, there's going to be interesting implications in a few years, depending on how this plays out.

Ultimately they have to decide what they want to do, but right now, they're protesting that their right to choose their representative asshole is being stomped on, and that's the right way to go.

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mynameisnotreal June 22 2009, 00:11:46 UTC
True. American news sources are making this out to be a popular revolution towards more of what America wants. It's too early to tell which way things will go with this.

This is the beginning of... something. No telling where it will lead.

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