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excerpt from a comment on http://www.boycottriaa.com/article/14934 -
"The USA is governed by individuals and corporations with lots o' bucks. That is the governing class in the USA and just about every major public policy decision in the USA is left to Big Business to decide either directly or indirectly. There is essentially no power in the hands of the people (with a little 'p' ).
However, I do not think that the USA regime is a fascist one - Fascism comes from the idea of bringing the people together into an unbreakable whole. It comes from the Latin/Italian word for a bundle of sticks (related to the English word "faggot" ). The concept being that a bundle of sticks is more difficult to break than a single branch. In and of itself, the concept of assembling the people into a united, solid whole is not bad, BUT it also brings in rascism and xenophobia (those other guys can't be in our bundle of sticks because they are not made of the right wood) and that is where Fascism goes horribly wrong. The people governing the USA are not interested in assembling the population into an unbreakable whole, from my point of view they are interested in dividing and subjugating the population in order to make sure that they (the governing class) remain rich and get richer. The USA is not a democracy and it is not fascist, it is a simple Oligarchy motivated by greed. IMHO it has more to do with feudalism than fascism."
and a retort:
"I suppose using specifically engineered marketing to manipulate the public into a "solid whole" in order to foist your agenda on nations or the planet as a whole is not fascism? this marketing is not persuasion, it is developed by highly paid professional psychiatrists, behavioralists, anthropologists, and sociologists using research designed to boil down human motivations to their smallest common denominators, or "triggers" which can then be flipped using subtle technique. Much like hypnosis, but a lot more subtle."
and then a response to that from the first guy:
"what I meant is that the USA is not a fascist regime in the classical and idealistic sense of what fascism is about. (Also, I am not a fan of fascism in any flavor, idealistic or otherwise.) You are right, the governing forces in the USA want to gather the people into a bundle but not too make a stronger nation (as classical fascism would promote). The people governing the USA want to have the population at large in a bundle because it is easier to control a homogeneous, hypnotized population. To me that is simply oligarchy and avarice and not really fascism. The ruling class just wants to make sure that its position of power is safe. I do not think they are thinking about anything more complex than lining their pockets and making sure that when they go to sleep at night and then wake up in the morning, their position is safe and sound.
You are right about the various messages sent out into the general public in the USA - they are developed by people who have studied well how to control societies and it is being used by the ruling class in the USA to keep the population of the USA submissive and sedated."
i think this is fascinating.
i also would totally support the ammendment it talks of in the article.
"The USA is governed by individuals and corporations with lots o' bucks. That is the governing class in the USA and just about every major public policy decision in the USA is left to Big Business to decide either directly or indirectly. There is essentially no power in the hands of the people (with a little 'p' ).
However, I do not think that the USA regime is a fascist one - Fascism comes from the idea of bringing the people together into an unbreakable whole. It comes from the Latin/Italian word for a bundle of sticks (related to the English word "faggot" ). The concept being that a bundle of sticks is more difficult to break than a single branch. In and of itself, the concept of assembling the people into a united, solid whole is not bad, BUT it also brings in rascism and xenophobia (those other guys can't be in our bundle of sticks because they are not made of the right wood) and that is where Fascism goes horribly wrong. The people governing the USA are not interested in assembling the population into an unbreakable whole, from my point of view they are interested in dividing and subjugating the population in order to make sure that they (the governing class) remain rich and get richer. The USA is not a democracy and it is not fascist, it is a simple Oligarchy motivated by greed. IMHO it has more to do with feudalism than fascism."
and a retort:
"I suppose using specifically engineered marketing to manipulate the public into a "solid whole" in order to foist your agenda on nations or the planet as a whole is not fascism? this marketing is not persuasion, it is developed by highly paid professional psychiatrists, behavioralists, anthropologists, and sociologists using research designed to boil down human motivations to their smallest common denominators, or "triggers" which can then be flipped using subtle technique. Much like hypnosis, but a lot more subtle."
and then a response to that from the first guy:
"what I meant is that the USA is not a fascist regime in the classical and idealistic sense of what fascism is about. (Also, I am not a fan of fascism in any flavor, idealistic or otherwise.) You are right, the governing forces in the USA want to gather the people into a bundle but not too make a stronger nation (as classical fascism would promote). The people governing the USA want to have the population at large in a bundle because it is easier to control a homogeneous, hypnotized population. To me that is simply oligarchy and avarice and not really fascism. The ruling class just wants to make sure that its position of power is safe. I do not think they are thinking about anything more complex than lining their pockets and making sure that when they go to sleep at night and then wake up in the morning, their position is safe and sound.
You are right about the various messages sent out into the general public in the USA - they are developed by people who have studied well how to control societies and it is being used by the ruling class in the USA to keep the population of the USA submissive and sedated."
i think this is fascinating.
i also would totally support the ammendment it talks of in the article.