McCain

[nebula_octon]

McCain wants the government to train the unemployedOk I have two views on this. If you are going to do this for those who are not achievers in society (the welfare earners) then you may have something here but you have to take their welfare away after they complete the training. But if your going to create this program for people who are laid off

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[devlocke]

The point, I think, is to prevent decent hard-working people who don't WANT to be on welfare from ever having to GO on welfare. When a factory closes down, leaving 10,000 people without jobs OR skills that are of any use outside of the rapidly dwindling manufacturing sector, they need training in order to avoid turning INTO welfare cases.

It's not a question of enabling them to earn more. It's a question of trying to allow them to earn the same amount.

[devlocke]

Nevermind; I assumed you'd read the article. While my previous post still applies, yours mostly doesn't. He doesn't even say anything about actually supplying training to people on unemployment. He just makes vague comments about "retooling" and "helping" that don't amount to a hill of beans.

[nebula_octon]

I did read the whole article. I took what I wanted to comment on out and commented on it. Thats what I do.

If the fair tax is put into place, manufacturing jobs will return to the states. Corporations will not have to pay any taxes to operate here. That is a huge incentive. People that want a job can and do find them. If they feel they need more training they go and get it. I don't know how it is in Virginia but I know that here in NY if you are on unemployment and you are going to school to learn a new profession then you can collect unemployment until you complete the program. I don't place unemployment on the same page as welfare. People on unemployment tend to be hard workers who got the short end of the stick. People on welfare just don't care. They are willing to do what ever necessary so long as that check keeps coming in. People on unemployment tend to want to be off of it as a matter of pride (These are generalizations not absolutes).

[devlocke]

If the fair tax is put into place... ehn, manufacturing jobs might return in a decade or two, at a slow trickle, if the cost of abandoning pre-existing and already-planned infrastructure in other nations is cheaper than just continuing to outsource. Taxation's not the only reason companies leave - there's also regulatory and labor stuff - so I don't know that it would be significantly cheaper to return to domestic production even if you cut taxes to nonexistent for corporations. I kind of doubt the tax rates are all that oppressive in the areas to which manufacturing has moved over the past few decades (but I haven't looked that up; link me if I'm wrong

[nebula_octon]

fairtax.org is a good resource for the information on it. And "The Fair Tax Book"