Why do people create false dichotomies?

Apr 10, 2006 21:01

Moved to my journal because this was getting far too far offtopic.

In response to someone on abortiondebate claiming that socialism is discredited ( I demonstrated that it is necessary for capitalism )

windmill, economics, quixotic

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beingjdc April 10 2006, 21:56:57 UTC
Are you channelling Tawney or something?

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neonchameleon April 10 2006, 22:35:13 UTC
Tawney?

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beingjdc April 10 2006, 22:49:55 UTC
Yeah, neat summary of Equality, up there. All you need now is to factor in that markets are inefficient if the buyers in the initial position have wildly different purchasing power, meaning that their wants aren't similarly reflected.

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neonchameleon April 10 2006, 23:09:00 UTC
Not intentionally chanelling him, no. But possibly unintentionally challenging him :-)

And the different purchasing powers runs along the same lines as my criticism of the current model of "free trade" - that it is only freedom of capital and not of labour, meaning that it is inherently unbalancing and regressive.

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umbrella_1942 April 10 2006, 23:59:11 UTC
For the entire thread here it is ( ... )

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neonchameleon April 11 2006, 11:37:37 UTC
You said it yourself, too much socialism and the market will disintigrate through a pretty wide variety of causes.

Not really. Too much socialism and the market will collapse under its own weight. Too little and it will disintegrate...

I don't know enough about how Australia sets the ballance and whether it is the right one to be able to comment (but it sounds as if Australia has screwed students over even more than Britain has).

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umbrella_1942 April 12 2006, 01:33:42 UTC
What did the Brits do?

Here in Ozland, everything is based on how much daddy earns, and my dad, being a dentist, makes me not eligible for student allowance, and Centerlink not only doesnt not encourage students to claim, but actively makes it difficult for them to do so here.

Is student union compulsory over there? Here it still is but not after July 1; that said, I will still pay, because I am running for a position on the union board and trying to rid it of corruption that these fascist socialist leaders have instilled into it.
On that note, its no wonder VSU has majority support by students, because the corrupt leaders have made it so unattractive to join. Oh well, we'll see.

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umbrella_1942 April 12 2006, 01:37:29 UTC
Furthermore, if anything, I should be getting more student allowance than most, because I'm one of those full fee paying students for a 40 hour a week course which is going to generate lots of taxes.
I hate it when I see those lazy Bachelor of Arts students who will generate no taxes who have something like 10 contact hours a week and an almost-full-time job get a free $300 a fortnight just because their parents are lazy and have no job.

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lavendersparkle April 11 2006, 09:51:57 UTC
But abortiondebate is all about false dichotomies.

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neonchameleon April 11 2006, 11:31:13 UTC
ROFL

But me thinks you've been arguing with lil_elf too much...

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umbrella_1942 April 12 2006, 01:34:24 UTC
Haha, you must have been arguing with lil_elf too much. Dont worry, the wonderful thing about her and the other feminazis is that they collapse into abuse once you speak up for conservativism. They only know about what they've read in the NOW homepage, say anything else and it confuses the hell out of them

**take 2, the first one didnt work**

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lavendersparkle April 12 2006, 14:43:20 UTC
You do realise that using the term 'feminazis' doesn't do you any favours. Try substituting it for a term like 'authoritarian feminist' or 'anti free speech femists' and you'll appear smarter.

To describe lil_elf I would tend to use terms such over emotional, difficulty with rational arguement, unwilling attempt to understand the basis of other peoples opinions. But possibly I'm feeling harsh on her because I'm reading 'On Liberty' at the moment.

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