And the roosters come back to roost

Feb 06, 2005 15:36


Ok, so I'm fully aware I need to stop.

more senselessness here )

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noncognsco February 7 2005, 05:57:53 UTC
Sixth, it would erode the formation of the extended family. The extended family is based not just on an exchange of vows, but on mutual child-bearing. Blood ties are strong because they literally represent the joining of two families in their children. An erosion of natural marriage will erode the sense of responsibity many extended families feel towards their relations.I don't know who the guy you are arguing with is, but I think what (s)he is trying to say is that since the children of gay couples wouldn't be biologically related to both families, it would be harder for members of the extended family that isn't biologically related to the child to feel connected to that family. This is, of course, rather ridiculous. Adopted children are accepted by parents and grandparents despite not being biologically related to either parent. As well, you can feel strong personal connections to step-parents, step-siblings, aunts and uncles by marriage (ie people who marry your parent's siblings) despite not having any biological relation to them ( ... )

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neva_ivan February 7 2005, 06:05:16 UTC
Thanks. Those are good thoughts. Of course adopted kids are generally loved by their entire families, and sometimes biological kids are not if you really want to get into it.

I'm addressing a comment posted here

http://www.livejournal.com/users/robyrt/97971.html?thread=140723#t140723

Sometimes it helps me to organize my thoughts if I write it out in my own journal. And it allows me to be mad on my own turf and then later compose a more polite reply.

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noncognsco February 7 2005, 06:08:07 UTC
Sometimes it is not such a bad idea to get mad, if your opponents really deserve it. The liberal tendency to control ourselves has given the impression that we are all emotionless robots like Kerry and Gore.

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neva_ivan February 7 2005, 06:15:08 UTC
Yeah, good point.

I think that as a liberal I so often find myself choosing my words so carefully and trying very, very hard to be overly nice. I aim for facts not insults. And yet so often I've been accused of being a "hater" of "bashing their values" or of mocking their deeply held beliefs. It's so no-win.

Example:
Them: Homosexuality is an affront to God and it's destroying our nation.
Me: How can what two consenting adults do behind closed doors possibly affect you?
Them: Because it's wrong. Plus they always rub it in my face.
Me: Who rubs it in your face and how? Is simply admitting that they're gay somehow damaging to you?
Them: Hater!! That's why liberals will always lose elections in this country!! They insult our deeply held Christian values and make fun of good hard-working people. I've had enough of your hate speech!

Well, I exagerate, but not all that much. It's a weird thing, trying to communicate with someone who doesn't even speak the same language.

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