Ok, here's another person who didn't know about this place. would a post with clarification of what you want to discuss here help? Not necessarily "This is only what we'll tolerate," but more "We started this place with this idea in mind," or "we're restarting this place ...." etc. I dunno.
I like discussing the idea and encouraging the idea of no onscreen relationships at all, just because I prefer to let fanon have small moments but no anvils. *shrug*
I almost left this comm when the nastiness was going on awhile back. I won't comment any further on that, it's best left in the past, but I decided to simply go back to lurker status rather than leave entirely, because I found this was one of the best places to get good spoiler info etc.
I am not a slasher, and although I understand that probably a majority of the members of this comm are, I think there should be room as well for those who simply don't want to see ANY pairings at all, or who like other het pairings.
I personally prefer to leave all the pairings to the fanfiction realm, and I sort of assumed that the "no tiva" designation was referring to canon, not fanfic. Although I don't generally ship Tony/Ziva in my stories, I have friends who do, and that's fine by me. I enjoy reading their stories, just as I've enjoyed reading stories by yourself, xanthelj and others. A great author is a great author, no matter the subject matter
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I think most everyone on every side is weary of the Tiva versus anti Tiva. There will always be some forces who want to continue the wars, and that is fine, but I don't think it is productive *at all* in this community.
I'm very sorry for the nastiness, and I know we're committed to striving that this stays a community and not a divisive force.
There are a great deal of slashers here, but folks who enjoy other pairings, many pairings, or no pairings at all.
One of the most important things is clarifying our vision and how that fits in, including if Tiva is allowed, if we're going to avoid Tiva discussion, etc. One of the frustrating things was that the community developed and evolved, and the rules didn't reflect that evolution.
proseac, I'd love to chat more with you about the issues, if you wouldn't mind contacting me via LJ.
Thanks so much for jumping in! I hope we can make this a place that everyone will enjoy and feel free to participate in, no matter where on the fan realm you fall.
Oh, I'm so relieved! And yes, I will certainly PM you.
I think you've made an important distinction here, and maybe without even intending to: there is a difference between "no tiva" and "anti-tiva". To me, no tiva simply means "I personally am not a fan of it in (insert context here)", whereas anti-tiva means "I not only dislike Tiva, but I actively antagonize others who are pro-tiva".
And I understand completely what you are saying about the comm evolving and the guidelines not keeping up with that. It happens, and I guess that's why it's good to do a periodic review and update of the guidelines. It think it's great that you guys are not only doing that, but are soliciting feedback from the members of the comm as part of that process. It makes it feel so much more inclusive. :)
2. Can there be banning of the people who come in and apparently think that criticisms of CDP's acting or Ziva's characterizations are criticisms of of CDP herself. I remember there was a lot of that going on.
We're going to discussing clarifying discussion and critique, versus bashing versus attack and how that affects the community. That'll be in the rules for sure.
There is a huge difference between, "I don't like Ziva because.." versus "I don't like it when Cote does," versus "Cote has no redeeming qualities as a human."
Disclaimer: These are all *example* comments and not reflective of any opinions. They're used for illustrative purposes only.
There is a huge difference between, "I don't like Ziva because.." versus "I don't like it when Cote does," versus "Cote has no redeeming qualities as a human."
One of the things TG and I are discussing is defining the difference between legitimate critique and "bashing". *That* will be encoded in the community's guidelines so everyone will know what standards are acceptable and what aren't.
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Nothing to add but have always enjoyed this comm. It's nice to have a safe place to play. Most of the rest of the 'Net can be pretty scary! *yeesh*
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I like discussing the idea and encouraging the idea of no onscreen relationships at all, just because I prefer to let fanon have small moments but no anvils. *shrug*
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I had a spiel on the whole no onscreen relationship thing back when everything blew up so to speak. And even crocheted an icon for it. :)
Anvils hurt like hell.
As for the comm... I'm alway lurking around. Don't have any heavy input at the moment though.
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I almost left this comm when the nastiness was going on awhile back. I won't comment any further on that, it's best left in the past, but I decided to simply go back to lurker status rather than leave entirely, because I found this was one of the best places to get good spoiler info etc.
I am not a slasher, and although I understand that probably a majority of the members of this comm are, I think there should be room as well for those who simply don't want to see ANY pairings at all, or who like other het pairings.
I personally prefer to leave all the pairings to the fanfiction realm, and I sort of assumed that the "no tiva" designation was referring to canon, not fanfic. Although I don't generally ship Tony/Ziva in my stories, I have friends who do, and that's fine by me. I enjoy reading their stories, just as I've enjoyed reading stories by yourself, xanthelj and others. A great author is a great author, no matter the subject matter ( ... )
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I think most everyone on every side is weary of the Tiva versus anti Tiva. There will always be some forces who want to continue the wars, and that is fine, but I don't think it is productive *at all* in this community.
I'm very sorry for the nastiness, and I know we're committed to striving that this stays a community and not a divisive force.
There are a great deal of slashers here, but folks who enjoy other pairings, many pairings, or no pairings at all.
One of the most important things is clarifying our vision and how that fits in, including if Tiva is allowed, if we're going to avoid Tiva discussion, etc. One of the frustrating things was that the community developed and evolved, and the rules didn't reflect that evolution.
proseac, I'd love to chat more with you about the issues, if you wouldn't mind contacting me via LJ.
Thanks so much for jumping in! I hope we can make this a place that everyone will enjoy and feel free to participate in, no matter where on the fan realm you fall.
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I think you've made an important distinction here, and maybe without even intending to: there is a difference between "no tiva" and "anti-tiva". To me, no tiva simply means "I personally am not a fan of it in (insert context here)", whereas anti-tiva means "I not only dislike Tiva, but I actively antagonize others who are pro-tiva".
And I understand completely what you are saying about the comm evolving and the guidelines not keeping up with that. It happens, and I guess that's why it's good to do a periodic review and update of the guidelines. It think it's great that you guys are not only doing that, but are soliciting feedback from the members of the comm as part of that process. It makes it feel so much more inclusive. :)
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2. Can there be banning of the people who come in and apparently think that criticisms of CDP's acting or Ziva's characterizations are criticisms of of CDP herself. I remember there was a lot of that going on.
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We're going to discussing clarifying discussion and critique, versus bashing versus attack and how that affects the community. That'll be in the rules for sure.
There is a huge difference between, "I don't like Ziva because.." versus "I don't like it when Cote does," versus "Cote has no redeeming qualities as a human."
Disclaimer: These are all *example* comments and not reflective of any opinions. They're used for illustrative purposes only.
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Yes, exactly!
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