Douchey Moments in History

[peggin]

Welcome to another edition of Douchey Moments in History!

"I can't do that to him!"
Once again, we get to see the only moral code Noah believes in is "things I want = right; things I don't want = wrong." Like I said in a previous post, turning Jade over to the police was the "right" thing to do -- the kind of thing the guy Noah fell in love with

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[rhiannonhero]

"You could have just called me up and said, 'Come home we need to talk,'; did that not occur to you?"

*snort* Riiiight, Noah, and like your response wouldn't have been: "Luke, I've got this entire movie to film by the end of the year, and Mason needs my help editing, and I don't have time for this right now. I'll see you when I get home."

Riiight, Noah. Right.

"We had plans. We were going to go back to OU together. Maybe even graduate at the same time."

Uh, sounds like Noah had plans to me. Last I heard Luke didn't even want to go back to school

[peggin]

Riiiight, Noah, and like your response wouldn't have been: "Luke, I've got this entire movie to film by the end of the year, and Mason needs my help editing, and I don't have time for this right now. I'll see you when I get home."

You forgot the part where Noah says, "God, Luke, I have to think about myself right now. Not everything is about you! I don't have time for this right now. Why can't you understand that?"

Noah is just looking for reasons to shoot Luke down at this point.

SERIOUSLY! I mean, he starts out with "What happens when I graduate" so Luke responds with some ideas about what might happen when Noah graduates, and Noah responds with "Not if I'm still in school"????? WTF, Noah? There is NO other explanation for that response other than that he's just looking for ways to find fault with any suggestion Luke makes. DOUCHE!!!

N: I'm not that kind of boyfriend.
L: What? The supportive kind?

I really wish Luke had realized at that moment exactly how true his own words were!!!

It means: I wish you didn't make decisions

[bigboobedcanuck]

Once again, we get to see the only moral code Noah believes in is "things I want = right; things I don't want = wrong."

So, so true! It's always different when it comes to what Noah wants.

Luke's not allowed to decide for himself what he wants to do with his life! At least not when Noah wants him to do something different!

I'm continually amazed at just how douchey Noah really was! I feel like I had shipper Stockholm Syndrome and I couldn't see the reality in front of me.

Noah: "You went ahead and did whatever it is that you wanted to do without thinking about me at all."

[peggin]

I'm continually amazed at just how douchey Noah really was! I feel like I had shipper Stockholm Syndrome and I couldn't see the reality in front of me.

I don't know if I had "shipper Stockholm Syndrome" but I definitely had SOME kind of emotional affliction! There were SO MANY TIMES when I desperately wanted Luke to dump Noah, and then they'd give us three minutes of Noah being relatively nice, and I'd delude myself into thinking TPTB had "fixed" him and that THIS time we were going to get a relationship worth cheering on... yeah, it never quite worked out that way, did it?

Then the whole "Luke doesn't want to be the one left behind" business. Noah, remarkable as this may be for you to believe, Luke's decision about not going back to school is actually NOT ABOUT YOU. It's not about being left behind or jealous of your glamourous student filmmaking. It's about HIS WANTS AND NEEDS.But Luke isn't allowed to have wants and needs that aren't all about furthering Noah's wants and needs! Why can't you understand that

[bigboobedcanuck]

The way Noah says, "Luke! I was just coming to find you!" all smiles, is just the pinnacle of his awful, selfish douche-itude. Even when he sees Luke, he doesn't seem to remember that Luke is grieving.

And am I remembering right that Mason did tell Luke privately that he was in fact going to steal Noah away?

[peggin]

Yeah, Mason did say something like that to Luke. I'm not sure if it's in one of the clips I posted (like, maybe in an earlier part of the clip than the point I linked to?) or not. I'll have to take a look and see if I can find it.

Part two, since my rage is too long for LJ to handle

[bigboobedcanuck]

The fact that Luke assumed it was all Mason just proves how hard Luke has worked to put Noah up on a pedestal and how hard he's willing to work to keep him there. I mean, I'm sure Mason encouraged it and everything, but it was still Noah's concept, and Noah was still the one who wrote the damned thing, and if Noah wasn't completely aware of exactly the message he was sending with that storyline, then he's got to be one of the stupidest people who's ever lived.

THIS. The script is such a slap in the face to Luke, and it's on Noah, not Mason. Luke deserves so much better!

But of course, that doesn't matter and it's really all Luke's fault, and Luke, of course, even apologizes for it. God, what a toxic, emotionally abusive relationship they had!

For reals. It's truly revelatory to rewatch and see it without the Stockholm Syndrome. Thanks again for the awesome job collecting all the clips!

[mooyoo]

What a huge mistake they made with Col. Mayer. Maybe even more so than the way they wrote Noah in that storyline. They should have gone for a much more nuanced, shady/gray kind of character with him; given us some reason for Noah to care about him other than just the fact that he's Noah's father. He still could have been a bad guy while showing some occasional good tendencies or at least without trying to kill Luke constantly. Instead they went the crazy, cartoonishly evil direction with him, making him so mustache-twirlingly EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVIL that Noah's conflict over him and over whether to send him back to prison just comes off as Noah being an idiot and an ass. Which, granted, Noah was throughout most of the show, but still, this storyline could have been done so much better even without changing Noah much, if they'd just written Col. Mayer a little bit better.

[peggin]

They should have gone for a much more nuanced, shady/gray kind of character with him; given us some reason for Noah to care about him other than just the fact that he's Noah's father.

Seriously! They didn't give us any real reason why Noah wanted to protect him other than "but he's my father"! Which I might almost accept as a reason if Col. Mayer was facing the death penalty or something, but as it was, they didn't give us any good reason why Noah wanted to let Col. Mayer escape. Well no good reason other than the fact that he's a DOUCHE!!!

[cindergal]

So true, especially since they had such a good actor playing the Colonel.

[suzvoy]

Man, I forgot about the horrible, horrible content of Noah's film D: That makes Luke's determination to finish it for him (dumb though the idea was) even more touching, knowing he'd have to sit through all that crap about himself.

LUKE IS AWESOME!!!

[peggin]

There were so many times when I wanted Luke and Noah to break up, and then forgave Noah when he was nice to Luke for like two minutes, but once I saw that film, I would have wanted them broken up for good even if there had never been an accident and Luke had never heard the name Reid Oliver.

[nancygrew]

I know they're fictional but it makes me genuinely sad to envision Luke working on Noah's movie, having to film the cruelest version possible of his life with the man he loves. And all the while knowing that the man not only sees him as spoiled, entitled, unworthy but that he blames Luke for blinding him. I never LOVED nuke the way I loved Lure but Luke loved Noah so I was willing to put up with Noah. It wasn't until the blindness storyline that I started hating Noah. IMHO his actions were so cruel during that time.

[peggin]

Oh, I hated Noah long before that -- I never really completely forgave him for the way he acted during the whole Brian/school election storyline -- but at the time I fully expected ATWT to keep them together and I was willing to allow that there might be a way they could "fix" things so that I would forgive Noah for his past doucheyness. The blindness story was the final straw for me. Even then, I still kept thinking ATWT was going to find a way to fix Noah until he came back from that rehab clinic on Christmas and was still a total douche to Luke. I watched exactly one episode past that and then I stopped watching altogether... until a few months later, when I started hearing/reading stuff about there being some new guy in Oakdale, a potential love interest for Luke. Then I went back to watch all the clips from the point I'd left off, only to discover that the last clip I had watched previously was also the last clip before Reid appeared on the screen!