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Douchey Moments in History

Nov 26, 2010 08:32

Welcome to another edition of Douchey Moments in History!

"I think I need a break."
To me, what Noah does here is just seriously fucked up. (I'm linking to a part a few minutes in to the clip here. Noah is actually obnoxious even before this, so I recommend watching the whole clip, but this part that I've linked to strikes me as the douchiest.) It ( Read more... )

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peggin November 29 2010, 14:14:23 UTC

And then he says he's feeling lost and confused and needs comfort, and Luke asks the perfect question: "Why can't you feel that way with me?" Answer: Because he doesn't love you and wants to get away from you, partially because he can't handle being gay. Poor Luke.I think the whole "I can't deal with being gay" thing was part of it, but I also think a huge part of the reason he kept pushing Luke away but couldn't or wouldn't completely let him go was that he had come to love Luke's family and the feeling of being part of a family. He would have moments where he realized Luke wasn't really the guy he wanted Luke to be, wasn't someone he'd ever really love, so he'd push Luke away... then he'd realize that losing Luke meant losing Luke's family, too, and he wanted to be part of that family, so he'd pull Luke back again. But I think Noah always kind of resented the fact that Luke wasn't everything he would have wanted Luke to be, and that being with this "less than perfect" (in Noah's eyes, anyway) boyfriend was the price he had to pay to ( ... )

peggin November 29 2010, 13:25:34 UTC

But there's anger, and then there's just continuous attacking/degradation.

Exactly. I'd actually be a lot more willing to forgive Noah if he'd been a total jerk to everyone. I'd be able to accept that as Noah just having a hard time dealing with losing his father. But he wasn't stages-of-grief-angry over his father's "death"; he was angry at Luke. He blamed Luke, despite the fact that he had no justification for blaming him. What a fucking douche.

What drives me NUTS is that in that scene, it's almost as though you're supposed to side with Noah, and Luke is portrayed as an annoying, overreacting brat.

I'm not entirely sure about that -- I think maybe we're supposed to see them both as wrong. Like, Noah was wrong to blame Luke, and Luke was wrong to be so overbearing and needy. IMO, the main thing Luke was wrong for was for still wanting to be with Noah at all!

Luke says, "Does that not sound like the Luke you fell in love with?" I think even then he's realizing he'll never be what Noah wants him to beI think you're right, that he ( ... )

von_questenberg November 26 2010, 21:54:35 UTC

I didn't necessarily think so before the blindness storyline, but you know- Noah joining the army reeks of Noah punishing Luke one final time for his father's 'death.' And note that Noah only decides -not- to join the army when it essentially makes him feel righteous, honest, and morally superior to refuse to do so. Not when Luke is begging and pleading and pointing out how difficult it will be.

im_with_him84 November 27 2010, 03:15:17 UTC

But Noah is righteous, honest, and morally superior to everyone in Oakdale! /sarcasm

peggin November 29 2010, 13:34:41 UTC

And note that Noah only decides -not- to join the army when it essentially makes him feel righteous, honest, and morally superior to refuse to do so.Yes, that's definitely true. One thing I find very interesting about the scene where Noah decides not to join the army is that, when he brings up the fact that he's gay, and the guy tells him he doesn't want to hear it, Noah compares it to a bunch of things they had wanted to know about, that were all times he had done something wrong. It was like, even after all that time, he still considered being gay a way in which he had somehow messed up; that it was WRONG, in the same way breaking a window or getting a speeding ticket was wrong. And someone who feels that way should not be in a relationship at all until he works out the issues that make him feel that way. I think at least part of the reason he frequently treated Luke so badly was because he did think there was something wrong with having a gay relationship, and that there was always going to be a part of him that would blame Luke ( ... )

dalia_chan November 27 2010, 06:42:29 UTC

Ugh...
i remember at the time i really wanted Luke to start dating Reg. part of me wanted him to leave Noah for good and then another part of me wanted Noah would see the error of his ways and have to work to get Luke back.

there were so many times where i wanted to see Noah grovel to try and win Luke back. but instead, it always was Luke apologizing and pleading for Noah to get back together with him.

how anyone can still root for them to be together after all this (and more to come)...is beyond me.

peggin November 29 2010, 13:39:23 UTC

part of me wanted Noah would see the error of his ways and have to work to get Luke back.

I think a lot of us shipped Luke/Noah a lot longer than we would have otherwise because (1) they were the only game in town -- if we made noise about how we didn't like Noah, ATWT would have probably thrown out Luke right along with him, and (2) we were really hoping, right along with you, that ATWT would FIX Noah, so that he would see the error of his ways and actually become the boyfriend Luke deserved.

rhiannonhero November 27 2010, 13:58:59 UTC

To c/p my comments from our prior conversation about these clips, Peggin ( ... )

peggin November 29 2010, 13:49:59 UTC

I'm going to do the c/p thing, too:

"IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU!"

I KNOW! The sheer douchetastic irony of Noah having the nerve to tell Luke that not everything is about him is pretty breathtaking. Of course it's not about Luke! NOTHING is EVER about Luke, unless it's as a person to blame for everything that has ever gone wrong in Noah's life. And anytime anyone fails to understand that everything is supposed to be all about what Noah needs and what Noah wants, well that person is being a selfish prick!

I mean, here he is saying "It's just for a little while" like he gets to decide how long it will be, and he gets to choose this.Seriously! The idea that you have the right to tell someone "I need a break, but we're not breaking up, and I expect you to be there waiting for me when I decide I'm done with my break" is such a load of self-involved bullshit. I don't know if you used to watch Friends, but there was a storyline on that show where Ross and Rachel were arguing, and Rachel said she needed a break, and Ross assumed she was breaking up ( ... )

rhiannonhero November 27 2010, 13:59:43 UTC

And Noah's reaction to the Reg thing? Oh, you KNOW if Luke had actually dated Reg, then Noah would've been sooooo pissed off, and would've been all, "You cheated on me, etc." I HATE HIM.

Oh, and obviously this is good to post.

I HATE HIM SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

peggin November 29 2010, 13:51:38 UTC

you KNOW if Luke had actually dated Reg, then Noah would've been sooooo pissed off, and would've been all, "You cheated on me, etc."

Oh, definitely. I mean, considering that, in Noah-world, Reid "stole" Luke away from him a couple of months AFTER Luke and Noah broke up, if Luke had dated some other guy just a few days after Noah decided he needed a break, then CLEARLY Luke would have been "cheating" on him. What a fucking douche!!!!!