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[21:23] Pat: mandy is funny
[21:23] Anne: oh?
[21:23] Pat: http://papel-luna.livejournal.com/1244637.html?thread=3296221#t3296221 talking me upand stuff
[21:24] Pat: i don't knowabout MIT! ......the rest is true, but nevertheless.
[21:24] Anne: Cool
[21:25] Pat: Fermilabs is so stupid.
[21:27] Pat: Or the government.
[21:28] Anne: ?
[21:28] Pat: They have the Tevatron which is the second largest partical accelerator on the planet. But because the golden boy is over in france (AMERICAN FRIES), it is being dismantled.
[21:29] Pat: You cannot change the environment in any hadron collider once it has started. You do not let one doctor write all the medical books. So why are we letting one machine tell us about the nature of reality?
[21:29] Pat: After Tevatron is gone, there will be no more [others left in use]. And if the LHC ever fails, breaks, ect, then there will never be oneinour lifetime again.
[21:30] Pat: But it is a synchrotron, not a hadron collider. So we are already doing this.
[21:30] Pat: Because congress pulled their funding.
[21:31] Anne: I think they'd also finished their experiments
[21:36] Pat: No, they are only ceasing them. There is no way to finih first. Now we will only have LHC and the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider. Not... the same thing. The problem with Tevatron is that it simulates a universe inside, while LHC actually has one. So they are thinking... why do we want a simulation when we've got the real thing? The turning off of the Tevatron is the finish,and observing the death inside.
[21:36] Pat: Which sucks. :/
[21:37] Anne: yeah
[21:37] Anne: :/
[21:37] Pat: I am not sure why this is even happening. Each time in the past when Fermilabs had a machine become incomplete, they gave it a newfunction inside a bigger machine built around it.
[21:38] Pat: ...ah.
[21:39] Pat: they are doing that agaiun but nobody is advertising it. Good job.
[21:39] Anne: ?
[21:46] Pat: Or not...Hm. Noplace has been chosen, yet. International Linear Collider. There were three linear particle accelerators in theworks. So apparently what scientists aroun the world did was took the multiple linear collider pojects and made them into one. Except CERN, apparently CERN does notplay nice. They are planning the Compact Linear Collider. Unlikely both will be built... but CERN will take longer to make theirs. I suppose CERN does not like competition. But theirs only wants to prove the technology can exist by builing a weak working model. ILC alreay proved it can exist. it looks like every collider being dismantled for parts for this. Which I would assume is CERN's competition mindset forcing it.
[21:47] Pat: But even so, CERN may get the funding since, um. they proved they can stimulate a big bang.
[21:47] Anne: :/
[21:49] Pat: Financial situation
The Fermilab budget has been continuously below inflation over the last several years, and Fermilab failed to attract more funding sources and this resulted in reducing staff levels (by 100 in 2005).[8] The new director of the lab and the new management are working hard to bring the International Linear Collider (ILC) to Fermilab. However, the decision by Congress to fund the ILC at only a quarter of the requested $60 million significantly reduces the chances that Fermilab or any other U.S. research facility will host the ILC. Fermilab's financial situation is dire, and on December 20, 2007 director Piermaria Oddone announced the planned layoffs of 10% of Fermilab's staff.
[21:49] Pat: Ah.
[21:49] Pat: Well.
[21:49] Pat: That explains it all. (Clarissa, is that you?)
[22:04] Pat: Someone asked the scientists if they cared if creating this could possibly destroy all life. they said, it's not possible, but we don't care. "But surely you must be trying to advance mankind!" "...no, actually, we're doing this because we want to. If the universe explodes, That'sokay. But it didn't, so that wasnice."
[22:16] Pat: I am trying to thinkof what to write my entrance paper on. Mandy is writing one for anthropology and I am writing one for phyics and the chips fall where they may.[ ] so Rin suggested we try to get a doctorate in both and teach each part-time at a university. Which I think I would actually like. As interesting as typing about quarks and protons is, I think if I moved beyon the theoretic, it would become a lot less glamerous. I mean, we have not even generated the primordial soup of theuniverse yet. They do not expect anything other than protons bouncing around to happen until next year. I think itwould not feel very fun to have to sit there and stare. Proton1: Are we there yet/ Proton2: No, stupid humans think we shoul grow by ourselves. Proton 1: Oh jesus. I'm out to lunch, call me in 20 years.
[21:23] Anne: oh?
[21:23] Pat: http://papel-luna.livejournal.com/1244637.html?thread=3296221#t3296221 talking me upand stuff
[21:24] Pat: i don't knowabout MIT! ......the rest is true, but nevertheless.
[21:24] Anne: Cool
[21:25] Pat: Fermilabs is so stupid.
[21:27] Pat: Or the government.
[21:28] Anne: ?
[21:28] Pat: They have the Tevatron which is the second largest partical accelerator on the planet. But because the golden boy is over in france (AMERICAN FRIES), it is being dismantled.
[21:29] Pat: You cannot change the environment in any hadron collider once it has started. You do not let one doctor write all the medical books. So why are we letting one machine tell us about the nature of reality?
[21:29] Pat: After Tevatron is gone, there will be no more [others left in use]. And if the LHC ever fails, breaks, ect, then there will never be oneinour lifetime again.
[21:30] Pat: But it is a synchrotron, not a hadron collider. So we are already doing this.
[21:30] Pat: Because congress pulled their funding.
[21:31] Anne: I think they'd also finished their experiments
[21:36] Pat: No, they are only ceasing them. There is no way to finih first. Now we will only have LHC and the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider. Not... the same thing. The problem with Tevatron is that it simulates a universe inside, while LHC actually has one. So they are thinking... why do we want a simulation when we've got the real thing? The turning off of the Tevatron is the finish,and observing the death inside.
[21:36] Pat: Which sucks. :/
[21:37] Anne: yeah
[21:37] Anne: :/
[21:37] Pat: I am not sure why this is even happening. Each time in the past when Fermilabs had a machine become incomplete, they gave it a newfunction inside a bigger machine built around it.
[21:38] Pat: ...ah.
[21:39] Pat: they are doing that agaiun but nobody is advertising it. Good job.
[21:39] Anne: ?
[21:46] Pat: Or not...Hm. Noplace has been chosen, yet. International Linear Collider. There were three linear particle accelerators in theworks. So apparently what scientists aroun the world did was took the multiple linear collider pojects and made them into one. Except CERN, apparently CERN does notplay nice. They are planning the Compact Linear Collider. Unlikely both will be built... but CERN will take longer to make theirs. I suppose CERN does not like competition. But theirs only wants to prove the technology can exist by builing a weak working model. ILC alreay proved it can exist. it looks like every collider being dismantled for parts for this. Which I would assume is CERN's competition mindset forcing it.
[21:47] Pat: But even so, CERN may get the funding since, um. they proved they can stimulate a big bang.
[21:47] Anne: :/
[21:49] Pat: Financial situation
The Fermilab budget has been continuously below inflation over the last several years, and Fermilab failed to attract more funding sources and this resulted in reducing staff levels (by 100 in 2005).[8] The new director of the lab and the new management are working hard to bring the International Linear Collider (ILC) to Fermilab. However, the decision by Congress to fund the ILC at only a quarter of the requested $60 million significantly reduces the chances that Fermilab or any other U.S. research facility will host the ILC. Fermilab's financial situation is dire, and on December 20, 2007 director Piermaria Oddone announced the planned layoffs of 10% of Fermilab's staff.
[21:49] Pat: Ah.
[21:49] Pat: Well.
[21:49] Pat: That explains it all. (Clarissa, is that you?)
[22:04] Pat: Someone asked the scientists if they cared if creating this could possibly destroy all life. they said, it's not possible, but we don't care. "But surely you must be trying to advance mankind!" "...no, actually, we're doing this because we want to. If the universe explodes, That'sokay. But it didn't, so that wasnice."
[22:16] Pat: I am trying to thinkof what to write my entrance paper on. Mandy is writing one for anthropology and I am writing one for phyics and the chips fall where they may.[ ] so Rin suggested we try to get a doctorate in both and teach each part-time at a university. Which I think I would actually like. As interesting as typing about quarks and protons is, I think if I moved beyon the theoretic, it would become a lot less glamerous. I mean, we have not even generated the primordial soup of theuniverse yet. They do not expect anything other than protons bouncing around to happen until next year. I think itwould not feel very fun to have to sit there and stare. Proton1: Are we there yet/ Proton2: No, stupid humans think we shoul grow by ourselves. Proton 1: Oh jesus. I'm out to lunch, call me in 20 years.