Bullshit

[northhockey44]

The death penalty is bullshit, straight up...that is all there is to it. There are no moral advantages to it, only financial ones, and it is primitave and inhumane for today's society. Fucking Absurd. Tonight, Tookie Williams will be executed. He was the cofounder of the crips, one of the largest, worst gangs in LA, and he got convicted for the

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[anonymous]

You say he has spoken to gangs about the reprimands of violence. Is not the reprimand for his violence death? Is that not the most severe reprimand of all? It could be said then that his death will serve the purpose of demonstrating this to gangs, and further detour those who fear death from committing violent acts. Will it not?

In all honesty, I could argue either way on the death penalty, though I generally lean for it. I think calling it "bull shit" is a rather foolish thing to do. Especially considering that later you ask us to put our emotions aside. Is deeming it as "bull shit" not an act emotion, done out of anger? So then your anger is justified, and the anger of those who have lost loved ones is not? Yes I realize these are two separate things, but before you ask us to put our emotions aside, and restrain from anger, you must do the same.

[northhockey44]

yes that was written out of anger because I had just spent the last 20 minutes listening to the other side of the arguement from fox news. However...if, in my emotional outrage, the use of the word bullshit is the only "flaw" you can find, then so be it...I will accept that. I can write half a page on the flaws of the anger I spoke of, and you have one word...and you brought me to another point I failed to mention so...thank you. You used the common, "lost of a loved one" phrase...but it seems so often we forget that these crminials have family and friends too. They are loved by others as well...battery is dying I'll finish in a minute

[northhockey44]

okay...now...sorry for the interuption my laptop needed some lovin from the wall outlet. Anywho, as I was saying, it often seems to be forgotten that these people have loved ones too, and when people speak of the poor, relatives and friends of those who got killed, and their suffering, and how unfair it is, is it really the moral thing to do, in acknowledging that horrible pain and suffering, to turn and bring it to more individuals

financial issues

[anonymous]

Brett-
I agree with your views on this issue. In addition, there really aren't any financial advantages to the death penalty as opposed to life in prison w/o parole. Death penalty cases drag on much, much longer than life imprisonment cases due to lengthy appeals processes. Also, many years can pass before those people on death row are actually executed. The net result: the death penalty cases end up costing the state much more than non-death penalty murder cases. Here's some more info: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=108&scid=7#financial%20facts
Supporters of capital punishment don't have a leg to stand on.
-Jon Carbin

[awin]

I agree. I've actually thought about being a defense attorney for that reason...but I probably won't be.

[anonymous]

In case anyone cares: Scripture does allow for the death penalty. If you don't believe me, look it up yourself. And if you don't think that means anything, then I suppose that's just your problem.

And don't even try to quote the 5th commandment (Thou shall not kill) to me, saying that it's a contradiction, becaues that's a worthless argument too. In the anctient Hebrew it was first written in, there are two words, one meaning Murder, and the other meaning Kill. There's a huge difference, and the commandment uses the word for Murder every time it's quoted.

the death penalty isn't murder, it's killing, usually people who have commited murder. perhaps if they didn't want to die, they should have thought of it before they committed murder.

and besides. why is everyone so afaid of dying anyway?

[northhockey44]

First off, allowing for and encouraging are not the same thing, and just because ones religion allows for something does not make it mandate...so it isn't my problem, its my opinion

[northhockey44]

and not so***

[northhockey44]

and dammit, lol...They didn't want to die and they killed no one else. Yet their lives were sacrificed because of those who felt they didn't deserve to live for a crime they didn't even commit. You seem knowledgable on scripture, so I will relay one thing I heard third hand in question to you. I heard, and it makes sense, that the "eye for an eye" theory was in the old testament, and the "turn the other cheek" was in the new. that under consideration Christians, should follow the latter seeing as how the New Testament are the teachings of Christ no? bad phrasing because I'm tired, and this is all relayed knowledge as my own knowledge of the bible is very VERY limited, and I will be the first to admit it. this is just agian something that I would like to know.