One semantic point - I took "one-time" to be specifying "not ongoing", and not how you're interpreting it, although I think I understand your objection to it based on the whole renewal thing which, if it happened, would make it increasingly like an "ongoing" thing and hence not "one-time".
Other than that, I don't understand your argument. I'm not sure if it assumes a better knowledge of tax and levies than I have, but I didn't understand anything well enough to be swayed. (Maybe try again in person until it gets through my thick skull?)
I am not especially well versed in local political stuff. however, I did hear a while back, when the PPM improvements were first being discussed, that a lot of the vendors there were really dismayed because the ensuing increased rents on the spaces would drive them out of business. Basically the concern was that the improvements would wind up equalling a gentrification/yuppification of PPM, which is currently such a wonderful, community oriented place. So, based on that alone I'd be unlikely to vote for a tax increase for improvements.
Part of the reason I don't pay a lot of attention to local politics is because it seems like there's a whole lot of dithering and not a whole lot gets done. money for transit vs. money for roads, no one willing to compromise, voters voting 3x for a monorail and having it shot down over and over again..... it irritates the crap out of me!! Perhaps it's a childish POV but I only have so much attention span for something so maddening as Seattle's hemming and hawing.
I Was Resisting Taking the BaitnihilistechOctober 27 2008, 07:17:58 UTC
Because some of this is clearly the kind of grandstanding you can be prone to.
But I have to say, it looks like your argument againsst prop 1 reduces down to, "Vote against it because the rhetoric of its flyers is misleading and besides politicians will do what they want to do anyway," which really isn't a particularly responsible argument.
And although I support Initiative 1000, I don't think there's anything "duh" about it -- no more than any kind of policy around life and death. If you need evidence of that, go check out the current controversy around the death of Daniel James (I think I've got his name righht) in Britain, and the take on it from somebody like William Peace at badcripple.blogspot.com.
Re: I Was Resisting Taking the BaitnplusmOctober 27 2008, 15:38:50 UTC
Well, the prop 1000 duh argument is based off my general right to die rhetoric that I have made in the past. I have made posts about my membership to the Hemlock Society (which died and effectively became "Compassion and Choices") in addition to my discussion on my beliefs when I talked about my aunt's slow death. I was more indicating "duh" as, "well, of course I support prop 1000
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wow, i sure don't get your hate for Prop 1. let's assume for a moment that you're correct -- that they're just using this "one time" contribution in the same way that levy continuation is requested.
you say: it's a slippery slope! they'll want more money later!
and i respond: ... so? it's the Pike Place Market. i'm happy to give them more money later.
it doesn't make sense to vote along principled ideals all the time. sure, we'd love it if all politics were straightforward, but sometimes you vote for something just because you support it, even if you don't support the methods by which they are requesting funds or support.
if you always vote only for things you think are perfect, you'll end up never voting for anything. maybe you're okay with that, i guess.
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Other than that, I don't understand your argument. I'm not sure if it assumes a better knowledge of tax and levies than I have, but I didn't understand anything well enough to be swayed. (Maybe try again in person until it gets through my thick skull?)
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Part of the reason I don't pay a lot of attention to local politics is because it seems like there's a whole lot of dithering and not a whole lot gets done. money for transit vs. money for roads, no one willing to compromise, voters voting 3x for a monorail and having it shot down over and over again..... it irritates the crap out of me!! Perhaps it's a childish POV but I only have so much attention span for something so maddening as Seattle's hemming and hawing.
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But I have to say, it looks like your argument againsst prop 1 reduces down to, "Vote against it because the rhetoric of its flyers is misleading and besides politicians will do what they want to do anyway," which really isn't a particularly responsible argument.
And although I support Initiative 1000, I don't think there's anything "duh" about it -- no more than any kind of policy around life and death. If you need evidence of that, go check out the current controversy around the death of Daniel James (I think I've got his name righht) in Britain, and the take on it from somebody like William Peace at badcripple.blogspot.com.
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you say: it's a slippery slope! they'll want more money later!
and i respond: ... so? it's the Pike Place Market. i'm happy to give them more money later.
it doesn't make sense to vote along principled ideals all the time. sure, we'd love it if all politics were straightforward, but sometimes you vote for something just because you support it, even if you don't support the methods by which they are requesting funds or support.
if you always vote only for things you think are perfect, you'll end up never voting for anything. maybe you're okay with that, i guess.
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