Идол в Храме

Jan 30, 2025 08:51


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o_aronius January 30 2025, 06:56:20 UTC
OK.

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cat_mucius January 30 2025, 06:59:52 UTC
Интересно, но эту часть не распарсил:

Рабби Меир послал рабби Шимона бен Элазара купить вина у самаритян. Встретил он старика, который сказал ему: «И приставь нож к глотке своей, если ты алчная душа» (Мишлей, 23:2). Вернулся рабби Шимон бен Элазар, поведал эту историю рабби Меиру, и тот запретил его.

Что хотел сказать старик? Он самаритянин? Что значит "запретил его"?

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o_aronius January 30 2025, 07:18:30 UTC
Видимо, что вино у самаритян дешевле, но в данном случае экономить - погубить душу.

Впрочем, это мое предположение.

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cat_mucius January 30 2025, 07:52:18 UTC

А, ну звучит логично.

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autrement_que January 30 2025, 16:16:38 UTC

английский перевод-комментарий отличается: запретил ИХ:

The Gemara asks: And what is the reason that the Sages, Rabban Gamliel and his court, issued a decree rendering it prohibited to eat from the slaughter of Samaritans? The Gemara answers: It is like that case involving Rabbi Shimon ben Elazar, in which Rabbi Meir dispatched him to bring wine from the area of the Samaritans. A certain elder found him and said to him: “And put a knife to your throat, if you are a man given to appetite” (Proverbs 23:2),as a warning to distance himself from them and not to drink their wine, because they were not reliable. Rabbi Shimon ben Elazar went and related those matters before Rabbi Meir, and Rabbi Meir issued a decree against them.

What is the reason that the Samaritans are deemed unreliable? Rav Naḥman bar Yitzḥak said: At the peak of Mount Gerizim they found the image of a dove, which the Samaritan residents of Mount Gerizim would worship; and Rabbi Meir issued the decree according to his line of reasoning that he takes the minority into ( ... )

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chyyr January 30 2025, 07:32:14 UTC
А у современных самаритян есть какие-то апологетические сочинения? Или не до жиру, быть бы живу?

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o_aronius January 30 2025, 07:33:57 UTC
Газета точно есть, т.е. что-то они пишут.
Подробнее, увы, не знаю.

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cmpax_u_pagocmb January 30 2025, 17:22:08 UTC
А изображения керувимов с телом быка в храме были?

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o_aronius January 31 2025, 11:54:28 UTC
Судя по всему, не с телом быка, но были.
Наши керувы - скорее всего, не карибу, а их родственники.

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