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Polyphastic sleep argument
Sent at 10:50 AM on Wednesday
richard.laborde: http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2007/03/polyphasic-sleep-one-year-later/
Sent at 11:01 AM on Wednesday
richard.laborde: http://www.lifehack.org/articles/lifehack/information-list-of-polyphasic-sleep.html
Sent at 11:03 AM on Wednesday
me: stupid
richard.laborde: why is only having to sleep two hours a night stupid
*two hours a day
me: because even though your body may adapt to it
your mind could never
it's obvious he only did it for 5 months or something
i suspect that any longer would drive him out of his mind
i bet that if someone did this for say over a year
richard.laborde: It doesn't negatively effect your mind, my step moms been doing it for ages, she is quite sane I assure you
me: they would be a lot less functional
plus he wasn't even given any medical examinations
so i can't really take this as a credible account
i dont know
you're not a psychologist
i would want some study done before i believed it
PLUS have you seen this guy
he's obviously not right in the head
just look at his "PRODUCTS" page
i lolled
dude's an effing swami
richard.laborde: yeah, hes rediculous
I'm not pointing you to him for his swami gear
rather just the information
me: yeah but from a not so credible source
richard.laborde: Anythow. The reason we sleep in one big chunk is because it made farming easier when we first became agricultural and required sunlight to work
me: this shit is awesome
and more interesting to me right now
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ragnar%C3%B6k
richard.laborde: thats why babies sleep polyphasically
me: i'm studying norwegian black metal
richard.laborde: and most animals do too
me: i think i might do a project on it
richard.laborde: yeah, ragnarock is a big part of American Gods
me: yeahhhhhh but babies and animals also don't have a lot to do during the day besides sleep
richard.laborde: its the natural state of man, we are just pushed monophasic by culture
me: and work
a characteristic of higher animals
animals of higher intelligence
when all you do is sit around and wait for prey, sleeping in naps is pretty easy
your whole day is rest
and i dont even want to begin to debate whether the mental state of animals in polyphastic sleep is of questionable health
richard.laborde: The reason animals sleep polyphasically has nothing to do with long restful days.
me: haha now i'm just fucking with you playing devils advocate
i think it does
richard.laborde: The cause of humans sleeping so much is monophasic sleep, its the very cause of such long periods of sleep
Our bodies aren't designed to do it, so we don't go to rem right away like we;re supposed to
me: yeah but i can stay up for 16 hours a day without taking a nap
so fuck polyphastic shit
that's more efficient
richard.laborde: yes but can you sleep only 2 hours a day, forever
thus increasing the amount of living you do by many hours
many days
many years
of wakefulness
me: yeah but it's not like it's 2 hours
it's fucking 20 minutes 6 times
richard.laborde: Yeah.
2 hours
me: that is fucking up my shit
richard.laborde: You simply schedule around the naps
"simply"
me: or you can just do work for 16 hours
richard.laborde: easier said than done
me: and sleep for 8
and i like sleeping
so i choose 8
richard.laborde: monophasic sleep is also why we drag at certain parts of the day
with polyphasic you are amped, and then you crash like a couple minutes before you nap, and then wake up amped again
like a mofoin crack head
zoomin around getting shit done
me: superefficiency is not my goal in life
i just want to be sleepy
Sent at 11:18 AM on Wednesday
richard.laborde: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9845015
Sent at 11:20 AM on Wednesday
me: this says 2 hours of activity
and 4 hours of rest
how is that fucking efficient
Sent at 11:22 AM on Wednesday
me: that was not proving your point
richard.laborde: "Results showed that total sleep time was substantially reduced as compared to the usual 7-8 hour monophasic nocturnal sleep. "
me: yeah it has you sleeping 16 hours a day
lol
with 8 hours activity
that's what you just sent me
2x4 repeated
richard.laborde: "rest" does not mean sleep
it means they are nto doing physical labour
me: it means not working
means inefficient
means you are being an animal imo
like a cat that sleeps all day
randomly
richard.laborde: Thats 8 hours of work a day still, as much as anyone else does
me: that's what my point was
no
richard.laborde: WITH less sleep
me: i do 16 hours of shit a day
and sleep for 8
richard.laborde: Not 16 hours of work
me: i am awake and doing shit for 16 hours
or more
richard.laborde: bs
me: i'm not fucking RESTING
lol
richard.laborde: most of what you do for that is "rest"
me: no wayyyyyyy
if i went to work all day, got home at 5
cleaned my house
made dinner
went to the store
came home
richard.laborde: Oh, like playing on your sports teams, and going for jogs, and doing heavy lifting?
me: ate dinner
jogged
and then came home and slept
that is fucking working
16 hours a day
richard.laborde: eating dinner is a physical activity now?
me: yes
your body is physically active in eating
last i checked
not resting
actually more active than most
richard.laborde: I'm sure eating was ioncluded int heir rest stages not their working stages for that experiment
me: well that's fucked
richard.laborde: along with other things, yaknow, stuff thats not work
me: and it doesn't say that at all
eating is not resting
you have that confused
richard.laborde: like everything you listed, not work stuff
me: eating takes energy
not rest
you're confused
work is anytime ANY movement is involved
physics bro
richard.laborde: your obviously just argueing for arguements sake now
so I am done.
thanks.
me: no i'm not
you posed an argument
that was felonious
Sent at 11:27 AM on Wednesday
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richard.laborde: "It is true that people who are sleep deprived are able to enter deep sleep much faster than normal sleepers. After a period of sleep deprivation, less important stages of sleep are compressed, while the core SWS predominates. Also REM deprivation will result in REM upregulation at recovery time. Indeed, we are more effective at sleeping after we had been sleep deprived. Moreover, it is possible that the homeostatic control of sleep is not very efficient at detecting the true neural sleep need. If you look at our mammal relatives, you may be surprised that a giraffe can do well on 2 hours of sleep, while a bat may need 20. Smart and fast-learning elephants need 4 times less sleep than less brainy felines. Behavioral observations will then quickly lead us to the conclusion that the amount of sleep is not directly correlated with the amount and complexity of memory acquisition and neural computation. "
me: dude
shutup
i dont want to hear it
you left an argument like a bitch
don't come back with more argument
richard.laborde: Your arguments were tangential
me: youarhabarbabalabaha not listening
and that's bullshit
your argument was just as fucking tangential
richard.laborde: Which one?
me: since you used an example that didn't even back up your original argument
sleeping 16 hours a day
not 2 hours
totally different
richard.laborde: That's annoying. You obviously know they weren't talking about sleeping 16 hours
me: sure
richard.laborde: If they were it wouldnt'
have so clearly said they needed less sleep
than monophasic sleepers
me: i'm over it
this argument makes me want to go to sleep
Sent at 11:39 AM on Wednesday
Sent at 10:50 AM on Wednesday
richard.laborde: http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2007/03/polyphasic-sleep-one-year-later/
Sent at 11:01 AM on Wednesday
richard.laborde: http://www.lifehack.org/articles/lifehack/information-list-of-polyphasic-sleep.html
Sent at 11:03 AM on Wednesday
me: stupid
richard.laborde: why is only having to sleep two hours a night stupid
*two hours a day
me: because even though your body may adapt to it
your mind could never
it's obvious he only did it for 5 months or something
i suspect that any longer would drive him out of his mind
i bet that if someone did this for say over a year
richard.laborde: It doesn't negatively effect your mind, my step moms been doing it for ages, she is quite sane I assure you
me: they would be a lot less functional
plus he wasn't even given any medical examinations
so i can't really take this as a credible account
i dont know
you're not a psychologist
i would want some study done before i believed it
PLUS have you seen this guy
he's obviously not right in the head
just look at his "PRODUCTS" page
i lolled
dude's an effing swami
richard.laborde: yeah, hes rediculous
I'm not pointing you to him for his swami gear
rather just the information
me: yeah but from a not so credible source
richard.laborde: Anythow. The reason we sleep in one big chunk is because it made farming easier when we first became agricultural and required sunlight to work
me: this shit is awesome
and more interesting to me right now
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ragnar%C3%B6k
richard.laborde: thats why babies sleep polyphasically
me: i'm studying norwegian black metal
richard.laborde: and most animals do too
me: i think i might do a project on it
richard.laborde: yeah, ragnarock is a big part of American Gods
me: yeahhhhhh but babies and animals also don't have a lot to do during the day besides sleep
richard.laborde: its the natural state of man, we are just pushed monophasic by culture
me: and work
a characteristic of higher animals
animals of higher intelligence
when all you do is sit around and wait for prey, sleeping in naps is pretty easy
your whole day is rest
and i dont even want to begin to debate whether the mental state of animals in polyphastic sleep is of questionable health
richard.laborde: The reason animals sleep polyphasically has nothing to do with long restful days.
me: haha now i'm just fucking with you playing devils advocate
i think it does
richard.laborde: The cause of humans sleeping so much is monophasic sleep, its the very cause of such long periods of sleep
Our bodies aren't designed to do it, so we don't go to rem right away like we;re supposed to
me: yeah but i can stay up for 16 hours a day without taking a nap
so fuck polyphastic shit
that's more efficient
richard.laborde: yes but can you sleep only 2 hours a day, forever
thus increasing the amount of living you do by many hours
many days
many years
of wakefulness
me: yeah but it's not like it's 2 hours
it's fucking 20 minutes 6 times
richard.laborde: Yeah.
2 hours
me: that is fucking up my shit
richard.laborde: You simply schedule around the naps
"simply"
me: or you can just do work for 16 hours
richard.laborde: easier said than done
me: and sleep for 8
and i like sleeping
so i choose 8
richard.laborde: monophasic sleep is also why we drag at certain parts of the day
with polyphasic you are amped, and then you crash like a couple minutes before you nap, and then wake up amped again
like a mofoin crack head
zoomin around getting shit done
me: superefficiency is not my goal in life
i just want to be sleepy
Sent at 11:18 AM on Wednesday
richard.laborde: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9845015
Sent at 11:20 AM on Wednesday
me: this says 2 hours of activity
and 4 hours of rest
how is that fucking efficient
Sent at 11:22 AM on Wednesday
me: that was not proving your point
richard.laborde: "Results showed that total sleep time was substantially reduced as compared to the usual 7-8 hour monophasic nocturnal sleep. "
me: yeah it has you sleeping 16 hours a day
lol
with 8 hours activity
that's what you just sent me
2x4 repeated
richard.laborde: "rest" does not mean sleep
it means they are nto doing physical labour
me: it means not working
means inefficient
means you are being an animal imo
like a cat that sleeps all day
randomly
richard.laborde: Thats 8 hours of work a day still, as much as anyone else does
me: that's what my point was
no
richard.laborde: WITH less sleep
me: i do 16 hours of shit a day
and sleep for 8
richard.laborde: Not 16 hours of work
me: i am awake and doing shit for 16 hours
or more
richard.laborde: bs
me: i'm not fucking RESTING
lol
richard.laborde: most of what you do for that is "rest"
me: no wayyyyyyy
if i went to work all day, got home at 5
cleaned my house
made dinner
went to the store
came home
richard.laborde: Oh, like playing on your sports teams, and going for jogs, and doing heavy lifting?
me: ate dinner
jogged
and then came home and slept
that is fucking working
16 hours a day
richard.laborde: eating dinner is a physical activity now?
me: yes
your body is physically active in eating
last i checked
not resting
actually more active than most
richard.laborde: I'm sure eating was ioncluded int heir rest stages not their working stages for that experiment
me: well that's fucked
richard.laborde: along with other things, yaknow, stuff thats not work
me: and it doesn't say that at all
eating is not resting
you have that confused
richard.laborde: like everything you listed, not work stuff
me: eating takes energy
not rest
you're confused
work is anytime ANY movement is involved
physics bro
richard.laborde: your obviously just argueing for arguements sake now
so I am done.
thanks.
me: no i'm not
you posed an argument
that was felonious
Sent at 11:27 AM on Wednesday
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richard.laborde: "It is true that people who are sleep deprived are able to enter deep sleep much faster than normal sleepers. After a period of sleep deprivation, less important stages of sleep are compressed, while the core SWS predominates. Also REM deprivation will result in REM upregulation at recovery time. Indeed, we are more effective at sleeping after we had been sleep deprived. Moreover, it is possible that the homeostatic control of sleep is not very efficient at detecting the true neural sleep need. If you look at our mammal relatives, you may be surprised that a giraffe can do well on 2 hours of sleep, while a bat may need 20. Smart and fast-learning elephants need 4 times less sleep than less brainy felines. Behavioral observations will then quickly lead us to the conclusion that the amount of sleep is not directly correlated with the amount and complexity of memory acquisition and neural computation. "
me: dude
shutup
i dont want to hear it
you left an argument like a bitch
don't come back with more argument
richard.laborde: Your arguments were tangential
me: youarhabarbabalabaha not listening
and that's bullshit
your argument was just as fucking tangential
richard.laborde: Which one?
me: since you used an example that didn't even back up your original argument
sleeping 16 hours a day
not 2 hours
totally different
richard.laborde: That's annoying. You obviously know they weren't talking about sleeping 16 hours
me: sure
richard.laborde: If they were it wouldnt'
have so clearly said they needed less sleep
than monophasic sleepers
me: i'm over it
this argument makes me want to go to sleep
Sent at 11:39 AM on Wednesday