John Barrowman talks Torchwood & Doctor Who
The Chicago Tribune talks to John Barrowman at the TCA press tour in L.A. John speaks about Captain Jack Harkness, sexuality, BBC America, Torchwood, Doctor Who, gay fan-fiction, Battlestar Galactica and being a national treasure.
What’s great about Captain Jack is that he’s something new, he’s unique.
“He’s something that we’ve never seen before. Going to the obvious, he’s -- in terms of wording from this day and age -- he’s bisexual, but in the realm of the show, we call him omnisexual, because on the show, [the characters] also have sex with aliens who take human form, and sex with male-male, women-women, all sorts of combinations.
“But I think Jack has come across so well with the public is because he doesn’t judge on that. And he doesn’t let people just him on that. Because he is a hero, a sexy - I’m talking Captain Jack here, not me - a sexy hero with an ambition and a mission. The sexuality is completely secondary, and basically the comment is, that’s the way we should be with ourselves.”
Right, his sexuality is not the whole focus of the story.
“That’s the great point - it’s part of him, it’s not who he is. In the British press, they didn’t bring that up. The show was already running for ages [before that aspect was written about]. Because in the first [season], there’s only a couple of instances where he does have any type of sexual contact with anybody. Otherwise it’s the others who do it.
But the whole sexuality thing - it didn’t really matter.
“I wanted to jump in so much, when [reporters] started asking [during the BBC America panels at TCA press tour] about ‘British standards are different’ - well no, you’re just more uptight. Your standards aren’t better, they aren’t different. It’s not the people, it’s the people who set those standards, the politicians and censors, whoever they may be. They’re creating that. Because people are hungry for that stuff.”
So BBC America is not going to cut scenes from “Torchwood”? I mean, BBC America often just cuts shows purely to fit into American running times, aside from content considerations.
“We understand that, we have another edited version that’s got about [a few] minutes cut off of it, but it’s not the meat of the show. The public - it’s about choice. It’s about parental supervision. If you don’t want to see someone say [an expletive] on TV, then don’t watch it. If we put the warning up and it says ‘adult content,’ and you don’t like it, then don’t watch it.”
[UPDATE: I spoke to BBC America chief Garth Ancier. He said that in England, "Torchwood" runs for almost one hour. The producers then deliver a 50-minute cut to BBC America. The network then needs to cut two additional minutes in order to make it fit into BBC America's hourlong slot. So "Torchwood" is cut down to 48 minutes, but Ancier said trims would not be based on content, but would be made purely to get each episode to that 48-minute mark.]
There was a recent piece about you in The Times [of London] that said that, via his “Doctor Who” appearances, Captain Jack has become this huge superhero to kids in England [Just so readers know, “Doctor Who” is seen as a family and even a kids’ show in England, and it doesn’t have the sexual, edgy content of “Torchwood,” which is aired at a later hour in Britain].
“He’s become iconic. I did an autograph signing and the dad said, ‘Do you want Captain Jack’s autograph?’ and the boy said, ‘I don’t care if he likes boys or girls - he’s my hero.’
“Kids love him, parents love him, kids love him, gay, straight - [they all] love him.
“My biggest audience is women. You know what, it dumbfounds people [that women like Captain Jack]. I’m very chuffed by it. The gay community supports me very greatly also. But I find it very interesting when people say, ‘How can women like [Captain Jack] because [he’s] gay?’ And it’s always men who say that.”
But there’s a whole subculture of women who write gay fan fiction.
“James Marsters, who was Spike on ‘Buffy the Vampire Slayer.’ He’s on Torchwood [in season two]. I can’t tell you very much, but he guest stars. And there’s a scene between he and Jack when they first meet, all I’ll say is, this scene is so hot, so horny, so horny, so violent, that all the fans who watch it are going [er, appreciate it greatly].”
The thing that’s cool about Captain Jack is that, it’s not just about that stuff - he’s just a cool character.
“He’s a hero for the future.”
I’ve only seen the first few episodes of “Torchwood,” but he’s always talking about how it’s all going to change, we have to be prepared for what’s coming in the 21st Century. What’s that about?
“You have to watch the third season of ‘Doctor Who’ [which is currently airing on Sci Fi]. There’s things revealed about Jack in the third season which will make your pants fall off. What happens at the end of that season of ‘Doctor Who’ is one of the most spectacular and biggest finales that you’ll ever come across. And it’s commenting on our society. Russell’s brilliant in his writing, he comments on society through his writing. That’s what science fiction is. And I’m a science fiction fan and I have been for years. It’s commenting on our society now, but in a futuristic terms.”
Have you seen "Battlestar Galactica"?
“No, you’re the seventh person to tell me that. I was up for a part in it, actually, in the original [miniseries -- he was up for the part of Lee 'Apollo' Adama]. I’m going to get the DVDs.”
(Here’s the summary version of Barrowman’s life in the U.S.: He moved here when he was eight, and he first lived in Aurora, then his family moved to Joliet and he attended Joliet West High School. His parents later moved to Peoria, where the Caterpillar head office was [his father worked for Caterpiller]. His sister, Carol, writes for the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and is also writing a book about John. His brother still lives in Aurora.)
“I went to DePaul University for a short stint, but they wanted me to become an opera singer, when I really wanted to be a musical-comedy performer from the very beginning. I didn’t like people telling me what I was supposed to be. I wanted to be what I wanted to be. People have this stigma that musical theater isn’t that good, but actually it’s the most difficult. You have to sing, dance and act.
“[In Chicago] I always wanted live downtown. Taste of Chicago, Navy Pier, we used to go into the city and spend weekends up there and go out and be nuts in the city. We’d always go shopping in the city. Marshall Fields on State Street…. Couldn’t Oprah have saved that? [laughs] I mean, Frango mints!
“[Chicago] encapsulate a little bit of L.A. and a little bit of more New York, in a more chilled atmosphere. I still would love to live in a high-rise in downtown Chicago.”
Coming to the US in the ’70s, what was that like? Was there culture shock?
“It was a culture shock. I think more so for my parents and my brother and sister. They were teenagers. My sister was [supposed to go] to Glasgow University, which is one of the top universities in the UK. My brother was going to [going to] play for the Glasgow Rangers soccer team, he’s a very good soccer player. So it was more of a turmoil for them, because they were teenagers.
“For myself, I just looked at as a big adventure. I was eight. My biggest priority was learning how to swim. I have great memories of growing up in Aurora and Joliet.
“One thing that disappoints me is [cuts in high school arts funding]. Where I fell in love with the arts was at Joliet West High School. I like sports myself, but it pains me that school districts, and Joliet West is not the only one, is that they cut the arts programs to give more money to sports.
“Well, you know what? From my high school I can’t count anyone who’s a major player in sports. But four of us are in the entertainment industry. Andy Dick was a year ahead of me in high school. We were best friends. We hung out together. [Actor] Anthony Rapp went to my school. And there’s a guy Jeff Ray who was with Lyric Opera [of Chicago] for a while. Four guys in the course of a few years at that school. Arts education is vital to the development of our youth. Sorry, that’s my little political bit.”
What was coolest thing about coming to America?
“I do remember my mum walking into a supermarket for the first time and just saying ‘Oh dear God.’”
So you watched “Doctor Who” on WTTW-Ch. 11 on Sunday nights, just like me…
“PBS played a huge part in my growing up [in the U.S.]. It was the only station that showed BBC programming at the time. Those Sunday night blocks -- It was ‘Dave Allen at Large,’ ‘The Two Ronnies,’ ‘Monty Python,’ then you had Doctor Who, it was like the omnibus [multi episode] version of it, an hour and a half or two hours.
“I failed every spelling test in high school because [I was up late on Sundays watching] Doctor Who. That’s why I’m a [bad] speller. But I don’t need to spell on television.
So from a bad speller to The Times calling you a “national treasure.”
“I was gobsmacked by that. I was absolutely gobsmacked. All these things that are happening I just sit back and [Barrowman grins]. I can’t believe it but I love it. I’m totally enjoying it. Because I’m a fan, a sci fi fan, they have made a young boy’s dreams come true. I am living my dream and I’m thankful and grateful to the public for putting me where I am. I’m living a life that I only could have dreamed of.”
I know you’re out as a gay man, did you ever think, “Maybe I shouldn’t do that, because of the effect it may have on my career?” Of course as it worked out, since you’ve been out, your career has taken off.
“I’ve never been in. To close friends, I’ve never been in. The only time I was in was when I was in high school and the first part of college. And that was because of where I grew up and what was fed into our minds in those areas.
“Everybody in the industry knew I was gay, but when I was asked about it because it was going to make a difference to other kids and young people who were struggling, that’s when I thought, I have to talk about it.
“And I’m not making the issue of it. The papers tried to make this huge big issue about it. I talked to a gay magazine about it, very off the cuff. Two weeks later, some newspaper called and they were like, ‘Oh my God!’ I was like, ‘Guys, it’s two weeks late, it’s old news. But it’s not really news because I’ve always been out.’
“Any time [the press has] asked, ‘Did you have a relationship with so and so,’ I’ve said ‘No.’ I’ve always lived by never lying, I’ve never lied. I never looked at it that [coming out] would hinder me. I’m too determined and focused on what I do.
“If I think if you are gay and you do your job and are a good human being and decent, you should be respected for that. You shouldn’t give a damn and no one else should - what you do in your bedroom.”
That seems to be Captain Jack’s philosophy.
“There’s a lot of me in Captain Jack and there’s a lot of Captain Jack in me. And there is no pun intended.”
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What’s great about Captain Jack is that he’s something new, he’s unique.
“He’s something that we’ve never seen before. Going to the obvious, he’s -- in terms of wording from this day and age -- he’s bisexual, but in the realm of the show, we call him omnisexual, because on the show, [the characters] also have sex with aliens who take human form, and sex with male-male, women-women, all sorts of combinations.
“But I think Jack has come across so well with the public is because he doesn’t judge on that. And he doesn’t let people just him on that. Because he is a hero, a sexy - I’m talking Captain Jack here, not me - a sexy hero with an ambition and a mission. The sexuality is completely secondary, and basically the comment is, that’s the way we should be with ourselves.”
Right, his sexuality is not the whole focus of the story.
“That’s the great point - it’s part of him, it’s not who he is. In the British press, they didn’t bring that up. The show was already running for ages [before that aspect was written about]. Because in the first [season], there’s only a couple of instances where he does have any type of sexual contact with anybody. Otherwise it’s the others who do it.
But the whole sexuality thing - it didn’t really matter.
“I wanted to jump in so much, when [reporters] started asking [during the BBC America panels at TCA press tour] about ‘British standards are different’ - well no, you’re just more uptight. Your standards aren’t better, they aren’t different. It’s not the people, it’s the people who set those standards, the politicians and censors, whoever they may be. They’re creating that. Because people are hungry for that stuff.”
So BBC America is not going to cut scenes from “Torchwood”? I mean, BBC America often just cuts shows purely to fit into American running times, aside from content considerations.
“We understand that, we have another edited version that’s got about [a few] minutes cut off of it, but it’s not the meat of the show. The public - it’s about choice. It’s about parental supervision. If you don’t want to see someone say [an expletive] on TV, then don’t watch it. If we put the warning up and it says ‘adult content,’ and you don’t like it, then don’t watch it.”
[UPDATE: I spoke to BBC America chief Garth Ancier. He said that in England, "Torchwood" runs for almost one hour. The producers then deliver a 50-minute cut to BBC America. The network then needs to cut two additional minutes in order to make it fit into BBC America's hourlong slot. So "Torchwood" is cut down to 48 minutes, but Ancier said trims would not be based on content, but would be made purely to get each episode to that 48-minute mark.]
There was a recent piece about you in The Times [of London] that said that, via his “Doctor Who” appearances, Captain Jack has become this huge superhero to kids in England [Just so readers know, “Doctor Who” is seen as a family and even a kids’ show in England, and it doesn’t have the sexual, edgy content of “Torchwood,” which is aired at a later hour in Britain].
“He’s become iconic. I did an autograph signing and the dad said, ‘Do you want Captain Jack’s autograph?’ and the boy said, ‘I don’t care if he likes boys or girls - he’s my hero.’
“Kids love him, parents love him, kids love him, gay, straight - [they all] love him.
“My biggest audience is women. You know what, it dumbfounds people [that women like Captain Jack]. I’m very chuffed by it. The gay community supports me very greatly also. But I find it very interesting when people say, ‘How can women like [Captain Jack] because [he’s] gay?’ And it’s always men who say that.”
But there’s a whole subculture of women who write gay fan fiction.
“James Marsters, who was Spike on ‘Buffy the Vampire Slayer.’ He’s on Torchwood [in season two]. I can’t tell you very much, but he guest stars. And there’s a scene between he and Jack when they first meet, all I’ll say is, this scene is so hot, so horny, so horny, so violent, that all the fans who watch it are going [er, appreciate it greatly].”
The thing that’s cool about Captain Jack is that, it’s not just about that stuff - he’s just a cool character.
“He’s a hero for the future.”
I’ve only seen the first few episodes of “Torchwood,” but he’s always talking about how it’s all going to change, we have to be prepared for what’s coming in the 21st Century. What’s that about?
“You have to watch the third season of ‘Doctor Who’ [which is currently airing on Sci Fi]. There’s things revealed about Jack in the third season which will make your pants fall off. What happens at the end of that season of ‘Doctor Who’ is one of the most spectacular and biggest finales that you’ll ever come across. And it’s commenting on our society. Russell’s brilliant in his writing, he comments on society through his writing. That’s what science fiction is. And I’m a science fiction fan and I have been for years. It’s commenting on our society now, but in a futuristic terms.”
Have you seen "Battlestar Galactica"?
“No, you’re the seventh person to tell me that. I was up for a part in it, actually, in the original [miniseries -- he was up for the part of Lee 'Apollo' Adama]. I’m going to get the DVDs.”
(Here’s the summary version of Barrowman’s life in the U.S.: He moved here when he was eight, and he first lived in Aurora, then his family moved to Joliet and he attended Joliet West High School. His parents later moved to Peoria, where the Caterpillar head office was [his father worked for Caterpiller]. His sister, Carol, writes for the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and is also writing a book about John. His brother still lives in Aurora.)
“I went to DePaul University for a short stint, but they wanted me to become an opera singer, when I really wanted to be a musical-comedy performer from the very beginning. I didn’t like people telling me what I was supposed to be. I wanted to be what I wanted to be. People have this stigma that musical theater isn’t that good, but actually it’s the most difficult. You have to sing, dance and act.
“[In Chicago] I always wanted live downtown. Taste of Chicago, Navy Pier, we used to go into the city and spend weekends up there and go out and be nuts in the city. We’d always go shopping in the city. Marshall Fields on State Street…. Couldn’t Oprah have saved that? [laughs] I mean, Frango mints!
“[Chicago] encapsulate a little bit of L.A. and a little bit of more New York, in a more chilled atmosphere. I still would love to live in a high-rise in downtown Chicago.”
Coming to the US in the ’70s, what was that like? Was there culture shock?
“It was a culture shock. I think more so for my parents and my brother and sister. They were teenagers. My sister was [supposed to go] to Glasgow University, which is one of the top universities in the UK. My brother was going to [going to] play for the Glasgow Rangers soccer team, he’s a very good soccer player. So it was more of a turmoil for them, because they were teenagers.
“For myself, I just looked at as a big adventure. I was eight. My biggest priority was learning how to swim. I have great memories of growing up in Aurora and Joliet.
“One thing that disappoints me is [cuts in high school arts funding]. Where I fell in love with the arts was at Joliet West High School. I like sports myself, but it pains me that school districts, and Joliet West is not the only one, is that they cut the arts programs to give more money to sports.
“Well, you know what? From my high school I can’t count anyone who’s a major player in sports. But four of us are in the entertainment industry. Andy Dick was a year ahead of me in high school. We were best friends. We hung out together. [Actor] Anthony Rapp went to my school. And there’s a guy Jeff Ray who was with Lyric Opera [of Chicago] for a while. Four guys in the course of a few years at that school. Arts education is vital to the development of our youth. Sorry, that’s my little political bit.”
What was coolest thing about coming to America?
“I do remember my mum walking into a supermarket for the first time and just saying ‘Oh dear God.’”
So you watched “Doctor Who” on WTTW-Ch. 11 on Sunday nights, just like me…
“PBS played a huge part in my growing up [in the U.S.]. It was the only station that showed BBC programming at the time. Those Sunday night blocks -- It was ‘Dave Allen at Large,’ ‘The Two Ronnies,’ ‘Monty Python,’ then you had Doctor Who, it was like the omnibus [multi episode] version of it, an hour and a half or two hours.
“I failed every spelling test in high school because [I was up late on Sundays watching] Doctor Who. That’s why I’m a [bad] speller. But I don’t need to spell on television.
So from a bad speller to The Times calling you a “national treasure.”
“I was gobsmacked by that. I was absolutely gobsmacked. All these things that are happening I just sit back and [Barrowman grins]. I can’t believe it but I love it. I’m totally enjoying it. Because I’m a fan, a sci fi fan, they have made a young boy’s dreams come true. I am living my dream and I’m thankful and grateful to the public for putting me where I am. I’m living a life that I only could have dreamed of.”
I know you’re out as a gay man, did you ever think, “Maybe I shouldn’t do that, because of the effect it may have on my career?” Of course as it worked out, since you’ve been out, your career has taken off.
“I’ve never been in. To close friends, I’ve never been in. The only time I was in was when I was in high school and the first part of college. And that was because of where I grew up and what was fed into our minds in those areas.
“Everybody in the industry knew I was gay, but when I was asked about it because it was going to make a difference to other kids and young people who were struggling, that’s when I thought, I have to talk about it.
“And I’m not making the issue of it. The papers tried to make this huge big issue about it. I talked to a gay magazine about it, very off the cuff. Two weeks later, some newspaper called and they were like, ‘Oh my God!’ I was like, ‘Guys, it’s two weeks late, it’s old news. But it’s not really news because I’ve always been out.’
“Any time [the press has] asked, ‘Did you have a relationship with so and so,’ I’ve said ‘No.’ I’ve always lived by never lying, I’ve never lied. I never looked at it that [coming out] would hinder me. I’m too determined and focused on what I do.
“If I think if you are gay and you do your job and are a good human being and decent, you should be respected for that. You shouldn’t give a damn and no one else should - what you do in your bedroom.”
That seems to be Captain Jack’s philosophy.
“There’s a lot of me in Captain Jack and there’s a lot of Captain Jack in me. And there is no pun intended.”
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