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Aug 04, 2010 22:13

Nobody heard him, the dead man ( Read more... )

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mrlloyd August 5 2010, 08:31:40 UTC
I think the problem was the learning curve. It didn't have an easy physical analogue that people could relate to (as email does), so if one person on your team wasn't living the web 2.0 zeitgeist it wasn't going to work.

But then I didn't play with it for more than about ten minutes. So I'm really just guessing here.

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onebyone August 5 2010, 09:02:08 UTC
Possibly. I could see how to use it as a mailing list, a feed, or an IM or email conversation. I could sort of see how to use it to collaborate on a document (although unlike Google Docs, the result wouldn't be the actual document, it would be the content of the document that might then need to be translated into a sensible format). I couldn't see how to use it as a BBS / forums system, although it might be possible. I also couldn't really see how to make it do anything Google doesn't already provide elsewhere, although I'm sure there are *some* innovative widgets and robots ( ... )

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onebyone August 5 2010, 09:04:46 UTC
nobody has done that

Since those giddy first two days after I got in, I mean...

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bateleur August 5 2010, 09:15:32 UTC
I use Wave quite a lot. Predictably I don't agree with any of the prevailing theories.

Wave has a big problem that Google haven't talked about. In the early months after its release, whatever system they were using for handling multiple simultaneous editors just wasn't working. Some clients would crash (although I never saw that) but as time went on it became more and more often necessary to refresh the page. Google then fixed this, but the fix caused typed characters to appear and a rate of about 3-4 per second. So evidently this wasn't just a bugfix. Whatever they were doing initially was fundamentally unsound in some way.

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onebyone August 5 2010, 09:22:54 UTC
3-4 chars per second? So if I type 50 words, you might as well go and do something else while you're waiting for it to arrive. I'm not sure that fixes "simultaneous" editing...

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bateleur August 5 2010, 09:24:45 UTC
Well yes, quite.

I wish they'd write about the problem, but evidently it's too corporately embarassing to discuss.

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bateleur August 5 2010, 09:26:23 UTC
Oh, I should probably clarify that it doesn't do this all the time. But often enough for it to be annoying.

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thecesspit August 5 2010, 18:03:41 UTC
"If a company, can't explain, in ONE SENTENCE....what it does....it's illegal. "

Lewis Black.

As with company, so with applications. If your app can't tell me what problem you are solving/benefit you give, in one sentence, it's a crappy app.

See, for example, foursquare.

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bateleur August 5 2010, 20:33:52 UTC
See, for example, foursquare.

Solves the problem that it's awkward burgling people's homes if you can't be sure they're out.

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onebyone August 6 2010, 08:40:59 UTC
Foursquare is a sandbox game. It solves the problem, "The plot of my daily commute is way too linear, but I've been conditioned by modern society never to do anything unless I get some kind of codified recognition for it ( ... )

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thecesspit August 9 2010, 03:57:13 UTC
Foursquare seems obvious on second thoughts from the supply side... lets send offers and deals for regulars to my establishment. On the consumer side, I have better things to do than record every place I go to some third party (to my self, much more... I rather like the GPS tagging app on my Android Phone).

I never use Buzz either. I just can't be arsed to turn it off. Google reader does the same for me, so I use that.

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