Time to Play My Favorite Game

[onionsoupmix]

Okay, which  thread is the craziest?

1. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is not actually an anti-semitic hoax.  Goyim, in fact,  are going to be tripping over themselves for the chance to serve Jews when Moshiach comes. They are going to be jumping for the chance to polish our shoes. They will put themselves lying on the floor and beg the Evdei

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[onionsoupmix]

Funny Answer: It's like a car accident or a crazy talk show. You just can't look away.

Serious Answer:
Because these people aren't crazy. They are becoming more and more mainstream. The only unusual part is that they make their statements in a public forum. In my circles, it is considered acceptable to speak about gentiles, gays, muslims in this manner, at shabbos tables, in shul, at ladies classes. JP's opinions on Muslims are shared by many many people in the frum world. Similar views on goyim and moshiach were taught to us in seminary.

And I struggle with how to differentiate myself from these people and not become an antisemite myself. Essentially I fail at this and then I just record my failure for posterity.

[onionsoupmix]

you'd be surprised. They could be very nice people, just extreme in one or a few areas.

[anonymous]

Why did you have to put up links? I was having a crazy-free day.

I clicked on the first one. The worst part is that even those who agreed the Rov shouldn't have said what he did are only concerned that we're in golus and shouldn't antagonize the goyim. That Klal Yisrael is superior is taken for granted.

G*3

[onionsoupmix]

yep, everyone agrees with the Great UnNamed Rov. It's just that we have to keep this on the down low, just between us Jews.

[squirrels_owl]

Yet again you have managed to find the sort of stuff that turned me off from any sort of Orthodoxy and led me to become an intermarried British Reform/Masorti Jew. If you are going to stay Orthodox and Jewish then I agree with the poster who suggested that you look at the more Machmir end of MO (what I would call Shomer Shabbos and Mitzvos United Synagogue type here in the UK). Alternatively you could look out for one of the more Observant Minyans or Chavurahs that exist in the USA - some are very traditional.

Otherwise I fear you will become more and more disenchanted, depressed and loose your faith altogether which would lead to great problems for you and your family from what I understand. In the meantime I hope and pray that you and your familly have enjoyed a good and positive Shabbos. If you need to talk feel free to message me.

Owl

What happened to the Protocols link?

[squirrels_owl]

Hi
The link is not active.

Re: What happened to the Protocols link?

[onionsoupmix]

worked for me... try the direct link
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/chilul-hashem-from-the-pulpit

Doesn't seem to be Chabad: "Shul in Boro Park"

[squirrels_owl]

Hi
the Elders of Zion quote does not seem to be Chabad.
It said it was at a "Shul in Boro Park".

Medical waivers available?

[vz85]

Regarding #1: As a non-Jew I would just like to say that though being a president's shoe-shiner might seem an exalted profession in Chassidic circles, it somehow never made my top 1000 list of things I would like to do in life. I'll go out on a limb and guess I'm not the only non-Jew who feels this way.

It didn't even occur to me that acting as a stepping stone might be agreeable, let alone heavenly. (Who knew the Jewish heaven so closely resembled a sadomasochist's paradise?) Performed daily, the stepping stone routine might soon leave me with serious back problems. I don't think I could safely support the weight of a petite Jewess, let alone an overweight Chassidic male. Is there any way I could get a medical waiver before Moshiach arrives? Do I need to appear before a beis din to get one of those or can I just pick up an application from my nearest Rov?

Re: Medical waivers available?

[onionsoupmix]

I'm going to need a lot of waivers before moshiach comes. The whole 6-kids-born-at-once-every-day thing, for example :)

Re: Medical waivers available?

[vz85]

LOL. I had briefly encountered about the concept of women giving birth every day in the Messianic era, but I had no idea they had pegged it to the Chassidic preferred minimum of six

[oneironstring]

I have serious issues with Muslims, as even those who are non violent are silent on the issue of terrorism (by and large -- you can find a few who will speak out but given their numbers, there should be a very visible and outspoken condemnation of terrorism and I do not see that). Frankly, I have given up caring about them as a group. They pose an existential threat to Jews everywhere and it is understandable that Jews react with hatred toward them. When and if a large and vocal group of Muslims choose to take up anti-terrorism and Islam reform (in the vein of Irshad Manji), I will gladly change my stance.

Goyim and gays, that's another story. There is no reason for generalized hatred.

I agree with the others -- you need to migrate toward Modern Orthodoxy. You will find a lot more people there who moderate their speech.

[onionsoupmix]

I don't think moderate Muslims need to distance themselves from their extremists anymore than moderate Jews need to distance themselves from their extremists.

[oneironstring]

Moderate Jews DO need to distance themselves from their extremists!! Everyone needs to take responsibility for eradicating evil, and if evil is coming from your own group, all the more so. Why did you bother to go visit the mother of Martin Grossman's victim, if not to show her (and I'm glad you did) that not all Jews are tribal fools? It is not okay to just shrug your shoulders and say "hey, I didn't do it --- what are you looking at me for?"

[onionsoupmix]

I went to visit her because she lived a couple of streets down. If she lived in New Hampshire, I would have just posted about it on the blog and maybe written, at most.

Even when I do post about crazies, like in this post, people are a bit annoyed and wonder why on earth I bother, why I don't just focus on the normal people, etc. No one ever thinks it is all of our jobs to post disclaimers against YWN coffee room nuts or JP.

For example, how did you distance yourself from JP's rhetoric in response to his latest post?