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goreism July 28 2006, 05:20:08 UTC
Hilary Bok makes I think a similar point over at Obsidian Wings. As does Matt Yglesias at The American Prospect.

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goreism July 28 2006, 05:27:29 UTC
I also notice, though, that he makes the oft-repeated claim that an independent Palestinian state consisting of Yesha would be impracticable. Jonathan Edelstein does a good job of pointing out why I don't find those claims very convincing.

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ono_sendai July 28 2006, 08:19:00 UTC
It isn't an issue of feasibility- it's an issue of acceptability. Do you really that a Palestinian state of those territories would be accepted by the Arab nations or Palestinians? It would be admitting failure, with no gain of territory from 1967 borders ( ... )

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goreism July 28 2006, 14:18:46 UTC
It isn't an issue of feasibility- it's an issue of acceptability.I was referring specifically to the poster's claim that a Palestinian state consisting of the West Bank and Gaza would be economically unviable. As for what the Palestinians want, suffice it to say that the official positions of the PNA, the Israeli government, and most foreign observers are very similar; it's just that each side thinks the other is acting in bad faith, pointing to the Kahanists or Hamas or whatever. I don't know that anyone knows for sure exactly how the Palestinians as a whole would react to a restoration of the 1967 borders, but that doesn't make any sort of Palestinian state useless. Israel could build that wall, but as a real border rather than a unilateral grab. The Palestinians could be paid; money is a liberalizing factor. I'm just puzzled how anyone can be sure that such a state would be rejected under all circumstances ( ... )

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ono_sendai July 30 2006, 04:39:57 UTC
The civilian issue is valid, and Israel is actually doing their best to reduce those casualties. The only reason I mentioned it is because many people have the false impression that Israel is essencially running around bombing civilians as some kind of goal. That's certainly not true. However, we'll never know exactly what condtions most of the civilian casualties were under, and how many Hezbollah members have died as well ( ... )

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